https://www.itt-tech.edu/articulation/
The page was down previously but it is actually listed in the most recently published catalog.
Unfortunately, although a number of listed schools are regionally accredited, most are online only or moving in that direction, and many have problems with authorities as well.
Be careful with Loan Forgiveness...it will count as taxable income for you this year. So if you have $20K in loans (probably much more than that), you will have to pay taxes on that money when you file next spring. Look it up if you don't believe me.
In my experience, many times the attendance requirements were class specific. If the syllabus stated a requirement, you had to adhere to it to pass. This is true of a lot of community colleges and larger state schools.
The small liberal arts college I went to had attendance requirements, but you were allowed a lot of "excused" absences. Law school was a mix of the two.
One thing is for sure, never have I gotten a a phone call for missing class or a postcard in the mail. It was my responsibility to notify the professor, not the other way around.
As far as late assignments - sometimes with a good excuse you could get away with it. Sometimes there was an extra assignment or your 2 lowest scores on assignments were dropped. Again, the professors pretty much made the rules.
From what I have read, the ongoing theme is that professors could not do that at ITT. I remember in community college about 15 years ago you had 2 class options for a biology lab ("Environmental" or "General"). The prof warned us 1st day in the General class that if we didn't need to take the more comprehensive class based on our transfer plans, to drop out and switch to the easier biology option. She wasn't kidding.
Another thread had a comment about looking to the school you planned to transfer to in order to figure out your credits. Again, another problem. Quality academic advisors are key to helping with this. My friend continued to believe his Associates degree would transfer just like any other until last week. The way this school misled students is seriously criminal.
"Instead of carefully selecting students for a viable outcome, ITT spends 90% of its time begging students to enroll"
Spot on. It is hard for faculty who have not taught a few classes at ITT-Tech to really grasp the sophisticated but unethical behavior that took place there. No genuine career counseling -- just a room full of sales reps showing prospective students a few choices of careers - the exact ones that campus offered, of course -- and badgering them into narrowing down their future path into one of those choices.
And then not really offering services to bring students up to speed who were way behind. "Academic" packages pushed onto faculty that were ineffective for most of the targeted students. Engagement and passing rate and popularity metrics used to retain faculty.
If students were selected who were genuinely interested in the program they signed up for, and if ITT-Tech had an appropriate academic structure for helping these students progress through the program, then the outcomes could have been so much better -- even for students who did not have a good high school experience.
I must agree most public colleges don't require attendance-taking, other than the fed must be notified that you have "participated" (even for one minute) at some point in the course, for funding purposes.
Our ITT campus was quite a mixture---I slowly began to notice how many of our students "secretly" carried felonies---this came out when they came to me needing help during the job-searching phase. Our campus assisted on a lot of expungements. We had serious students, good students, completely inept students, We also had a mix of homeless or semi-homeless people. Some were looking for federal "living expense" money (which we didn't give), some really wanted to get ahead, but were too far behind for a 2 year program to even get even.
It's interesting at ITT, in a class of 30, I might get only 8 students turning in assignments on the due date (YES EIGHT). More after warnings & multiple extensions. At the state college I also teach at, it is almost reversed (4 out of 30 did not turn in their assignments--no warnings or extensions needed).
Instead of carefully selecting students for a viable outcome, ITT spends 90% of its time begging students to enroll (somewhat lesser in nursing*). This was their ultimate downfall.
*When the nursing prog started, there were these meetings on how we'd choose which ones to enroll, who'd be on a waiting list, etc. Well, the demand just barely filled the seats, so never a had waiting list. Then demand fell & back to the beggars mode.
"The point, and I think you are truly missing it" etc
Nice post. But you are reading something into other post that is truly not there. No one said anything about relative merits of degrees versus other types of programs. The point was being made that ITT-Tech courses, and associate degrees, are generally not equivalent to regionally accredited courses, and associate degrees, creating many issues for students who MAY want to transfer credits at some time -- like now.
But you bring up one of the big issues with ITT-Tech -- they don't offer 12 month or 18 month certificate programs. They have 2 choices -- associate and bachelors. That is why many students are frantic now -- if they don't have the DEGREE they feel they have nothing. So ITT-Tech has math classes that pretend to be fancy prep classes for bachelor degree programs, using text books called "algebra and trig," when most students never really even understand how to do problems in the first chapter of the book!
Poster stated:
"Exactly! But you have missed a very important point here! ITT-Tech associate degrees are not accepted as transfer degrees, for students who want to get Bachelor from regionally accredited school!"
Transfer isn't a need for everyone. I have students in my classes at my non-profit tax supported community college who are focused on industry recognized certifications (e.g. CISSP, etc.),, who likely will never get a degree, but want to find a career that will enable them to earn a living wage. In those same classes I have students who have a masters degree from State universities in disciplines that do not appear to provide a boost in earning potential.
The point, and I think you are truly missing it is people seek educational pathways for a variety of reasons. A key factor for the reason I teach what I teach is to fill a role of creating excellent taxpayers. That objective isn't uniform. Hence the reason we provide instruction relative to a variety of disciplines. I like to bring up a program like early childhood education as an example. We place our most valuable resource (our children) in the care of people who obtain associates, bachelors, and masters degrees in this discipline and pay many of them a wage that doesn't extend above the poverty rate. Does that make sense? I suggest it doesn't. But it is the way it is........
Some people think that colleges that don't require attendance must be a joke. But attendance itself means little in some fields of study -- your body can be present but your mind absent! However, in any school, if you miss labs and don't show up for exams, and don't turn in assignments, of course you will still fail!
"That evidences itself when you compare the success ate of our students who transfer to the State's public universities as compared with those students who begin their lower division courses at those universities."
Exactly! But you have missed a very important point here! ITT-Tech associate degrees are not accepted as transfer degrees, for students who want to get Bachelor from regionally accredited school!
Compare the courses in a associate program at your community college that is designed as transfer degree -- and compare to classes at ITT-tech for associate degree. They are not the same! At least the general ed classes for technical programs at ITT-Tech have very minimal math and science requirements -- even if the classes are there, they are designed to be easy to pass.
I am not saying anything about worthiness of students as human beings by any means! Just some facts here about academic standards at different schools.
The derogatory comments relating to ITT Tech students needs to stop. I teach full-time at a non-profit tax supported community college and as I commonly hear, we provide entry to the top 100% of students who apply. That isn't a bad thing, given the fact that it eliminates a barrier to entry. It doesn't mean our students are any better or worse than students from other education providers. That evidences itself when you compare the success ate of our students who transfer to the State's public universities as compared with those students who begin their lower division courses at those universities.
Enough said........
"It's pretty obvious the disgruntled previous Itt tech employed have so much to say on here, because they were probably fired! If those who say they "quit" and are so much better off, than what the hell are you doing on this site?"
We are here because running away from a bad situation, and leaving it to fester on its own, is not responsible behavior. Adults in position of trust, at educational institutions, are expected to take action when we see unethical behavior.
Glad to hear you are finding success on your path and I do hope you are able to finish. But some of us have a bigger picture and have gotten fed up with the hundreds of thousands of students that did not have your satisfying experience -- and you are in the minority.
Its easy to quit and run away and not say anything. It can also be considered cowardly.
"Sorry QBU" you are so full of sh-- ... It's obvious you learned nothing from YOUR "real college education" You need to ask for loan forgiveness yourself ... Looks like you got played at that "real college" Your nothing but part of the problem ... Talking and judging others and their situations ... Go crawl back under the rock from which you came ... People can be successful with or without college ...it all depends on various factors ... Obviously college makes the path easier ..... Your a Punk
People need to put themselves in the position of the students attending ITT tech. Many of us chose this route for various reasons. For me personally I chose this route due to being a single mother, the nursing program allowed me the flexibility to work full time, be present in my son's life, finish my nursing degree sooner, and I had absolutely no wait time after passing the required testing. I currently am in my final term and do not know if I will be able to finish up my final 12 weeks to receive my degree and then test for state boards. I find it completely degrating the comments on here I have received a degree from a community college, I am not homeless, and I'm not an idiot. To those making these remarks maybe you are the ones that need to get yourselves some higher education along with learning to show compassion for others.
"Yes, they do require attendance"
Well, we will have to agree to disagree. Never, in my experience has attendance been required, except where a professional license was part of outcome. And that experience also includes my graduate degree -- doctorate -- in public university. Nephew in public university currently working on engineering degree - no attendance required.
Yes, actaully most real colleges do require students to be in attendance. In fact, even a majority of classes in my graduate school program also require class attendance.
It's pretty obvious the disgruntled previous Itt tech employed have so much to say on here, because they were probably fired! If those who say they "quit" and are so much better off, than what the hell are you doing on this site? It shouldn't concern you if you So called moved on. Those are the ones who complain about the education there! There are many students who benefited from Itt tech and are out there doing well! It's not for everyone but for those it is good for, great! Shame on you losers out there for putting those down!
"The truth is that most 'students' at ITT wouldn't be able to handle real college coursework. Real college: if you miss two classes in a semester you fail."
Sorry, but you fail. Real colleges don't babysit, spoon feed or handhold. They don't require attendance in most cases. Exceptions sometimes if a professional license will be granted as part of the coursework. But they will make more of an effort than ITT-Tech to help you construct a more manageable college path, so you will be more likely to succeed on your own merit -- which is a lot more than scam schools do.
Wow, before coming off as so superior, you should try actually going to a real college yourself first.
It is worthwhile for anyone to go to community college admissions and get advice, and go to state employment aid office -- called WorkSource -- in my state. Doesn't matter if you can't get into community college, you can get help -- often from unpaid volunteers -- in math, reading, writing, computer skills.
ITT-Tech never had any real advisers or counselors to give legitimate academic counseling. Spinning the career wheel doesn't count. ITT-Tech admitted people with weak skills and never did anything legitimate to address academic needs of these students. Many examples of fraud on the part of ITT-Tech.
The truth is that most "students" at ITT wouldn't be able to handle real college coursework. Real college: if you miss two classes in a semester you fail. If you don't already know how to use a computer (unlike nearly all my ITT students) you'll fail before you even start, heck you'd probably fail the 5th grade in a suburban middle school.
I'm not saying this to be mean, but out of the 403 students at my campus maybe 3 of them might be able to make it in an actual college (you know, a place with "State" and/or "University" in its name).
Transfer a few credits and fail out; or loan forgiveness? Loan forgiveness!
At the Dearborn campus we had homeless people, people who couldn't bathe themselves and reeked, and kids from Detroit high schools who could barely read, couldn't use a Windows desktop (like my 6 year old nephew can), couldn't even fill out the admissions paperwork themselves. It was the only place I ever worked were i had to show people how to use a pencil sharpener ON A DAILY BASIS!
They let everyone in because it was a scam. They told everyone they "scored the highest ever on the entrance exam" because it was a scam. In 2013 they got rid of the entrance exam totally. The textbooks were all "Custom ITT editions" because they were for fake classes!
You were never a college student, you were a victim and I'm sorry about that. I quit and took a lower paying job to escape after less than two years.
The chances of your being one of the 2 or 3 out of over 400 that "might" actually somehow muddle through a real college (after somehow getting past actual entrance exams / questionnaire) is basically nothing.
File for loan forgiveness. Get a job: around 80% of the jobs in the USA require ZERO COLLEGE ANYWAY!
The ITT classes were worthless. If you didn't notice that you're not savvy enough for college, or even a suburban middle school for that matter: get the loan forgiveness and get a job. Save your money and investigate real colleges later on. Real colleges by the way are about half the price of ITT!
The sad thing is that almost no actual students will see this because they still can't use the internet. That's not a joke or sarcasm, sadly.
"ITT: I've never seen so many face tattoos before!" (Also true, sadly). Think about it, you could go to Harvard but with a bunch of face tattoos you'd still not get a job. There was a 68 year old woman in the Criminal Justice school: she thought she'd get hired by the Detroit Police department after graduation! 68 years old and some days she didn't wear her dentures (her "flipper" she called them?).
Delusional mental cases, homeless people, people right out of prison, and naïve ghetto kids: they didn't deserve to get scammed but they were never going to be college graduates anyway. We had many students living in homeless shelters! Actual homeless people! They were there not because of the Obama economy but because they were nuts and heard voices all the time!
Basically: fake school used social security numbers of fake students to get federal tax payer money. Forgive the loans, put the heads in prison, send the students to grocery bagger / burger flipper training.
Can I ask for loan forgiveness if I manage to transfer my credits?
Don't transfer- apply for loan forgiveness.
Listen everyone: ITT is closing. Very little will transfer to any other legitimate (non profit) college. So students should apply for loan forgiveness as soon as the announcement is made. Period.
"they all a bunch of other scam schools" ????
Are you going to take advice about higher education from someone who has trouble writing down one coherent thought? There are even programs for you, buddy, for getting your GED.
List for my campus includes just about every school withing 30 miles -- including community colleges and for-profits. Have to wonder what kind of "articulation agreement" is in place.
Great time to go for a drive and visit some campuses, and talk with admissions people. But remember, IF your campus closes and IF you transfer credits you may not get loan forgiveness -- according to DOE info blog.
they all a bunch of other scam schools
This link even existed in catalogs back in March 2016 -- just checked an archived catalog for my campus. Never tried it until now though. At least it is a starting place!
I suppose the link was down for a while, when all ITT Tech links went straight to terse "we are not enrolling new students" announcement. Now students can access catalogs, updated Aug. 3, through ITT-Tech website.
I guess ITT-Tech has made some attempt to carry on normal business, like providing access to catalogs. Hard to predict future from that, though. ITT-Tech still has not emailed students proper disclosure about their status, which it was supposed to do "immediately" as of Aug. 25th -- which is that ITT-Tech is not compliant with ACICS accreditation criteria, as it not likely to become so.