Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

I am very grateful for millennials. These are the good people who will decide to change my depends and remind me what day it is. If we are not respectful of the next generation they may decide not to take very goodcare of us when our health and independence fades away. I wouldnt count on emoji changing me if i have an accident in my drawers.

This post has the wrong drivel. As an Intel lifer, I congratulate the millennials for learning the bitter lessons their parents had to swallow in corporate employment. Modern corporations have created a Uber class of overpaid psychopaths called executives. They are over paid to lure you in your twenties when you have no clue of what the other end of life looks and feels like, elevate you from a college grad with dirty jeans into a corporate sterilized worker with a fancy sounding title and technical buzz words, chew you for the next several years and spit you through their rear ends (aka HR). Anyone who has seen the process and went through it in one generation should not advocate it to their next generation.

It was as early as the late 80's that the illusion of a retirement with a gold wrist watch, a handshake from the CEO, a decent retirement and health plan was completely shattered. Anyone who is thinking loyalty to these faceless semi criminals and their toxic managers is disoriented. I have seen how quickly execs jump the ship in good times and bad times with zero trail of responsibility. Learn their trick.

"Intel seems to promote management track folks who are the best at organizational skills rather than technical. "

Whoever wrote this has no clue to who gets elevated to managerial ranks at Intel. Two essential qualities of Intel managers are the ability to never question the senior managers and the ability to screw one's direct reports with toxic micro-management. No micro-management, sorry you are not a management material.

I have Millennial children who got technical BS degrees. I told them to not even apply at Intel.

Good thread

Just a FYI @1eyy.... The way you were treated isn't just how the younger generation is treated.... we're ALL thrown out on the floor like that and meant to fend for ourselves, unfortunately. Sure, some get training, mentors, etc.... but there isn't a lot of hand holding at a company the size of Intel. I much prefer smaller companies/startups. MUCH nicer working atmosphere!!!!!

Had I not felt "stuck" at Intel with their 'golden handcuffs', I'd have left YEARS ago as I had yearned for the vibe of smaller companies for the 16 yrs I was there. My golden handcuffs was SERMA (I was hourly so didn't have a very high salary or bonuses like the rest of the company). It bothered me that if I left I'd leave money on the table, especially money to pay for expensive medical, so I stayed on. I really, really wish I had said "screw it! The money doesn't matter!!"

I know that now that I've ERPed, but hindsight is always 20/20. I wish I had left and did what I would have preferred, but year after year that SERMA pot grew larger and it became harder and harder for me to leave.

I wish everyone there the best of luck whether you decide to stay, or pack up and move on (my vote goes to the latter! lol)

My experience exactly. Hell I was interviewed by a team, hired and thrown in a group. Didn't even meet my manager until my second day. Now I am stuck justifying my existence to someone that didn't even hire/want me in the first place!

re: "@#GOLDPOST @1fql - Good response - Gen X here, I took VSP - It was forced otherwise I would still be there. I think you brought up great points. I think Intel is a dinosaur with an out dated focal system and management who is completely out of touch with the millennials. That is very obvious. Let's face it, most companies are NOT like Intel, the start up that I went to (last layoff) is about as opposite as possible. No focal, no back stabbing, no competition with fellow team members. We all knew our jobs, and what was expected. The CEO has liquor in his office. Fridays you can drop in and have a drink - I kid you not. Now, for Intel, it's philosophy is ..I hire you...throw you on a team...and each year you have to fight in order to justify the reason I hired you..and no matter what...some of you are gone. What kind of sh-- company does that anymore? Anyways..great in-sight 1fql..much appreciated here."

I agree, @1fql wrote a true #GOLD post. So good it deserves a new thread.

The reason we millennials jump ship is because

1) We have seen people being walked off after working for a company for 10, 15 even 20 years. When someone sees such a thing at the beginning of their career, it is difficult for us to trust companies and not look out for ourselves.

2) There are a lot more opportunities now than they were 20 years ago because how connected the world has become. It is easy to get information about new opportunities.

3) Management. One of the biggest reasons is that we were raised by you people in an ideal world. But well, it is not. We do have a problem of wanting things our way but it is just not our problem, the way the management functions is absolutely unbelievable. When you have your 45 year old asking us on how to sum up numbers on a spreadsheet - yes, that makes us question the capabilities of them. When the management won't listen to us and our problems and fails to provide us with the work life that we want - why not the f--- jump ship? Just because you are jealous?

4) What f---ing demeanor is that guy talking about? We have seen many managers b---s---ting around. In fact, many just do that. Take advantage of us. You f---ers are also not saints, so don't expect us to be. You can yourself see the state Intel is in. The CEO taking up huge raises while walking off people working for 20 years in a single day. Is that the demeanor and work ethic and moral behavior you are talking about?

5) The skills argument. May be a only rational argument that there is. We do think highly of ourselves but that is only because the world has set such a low standard for itself lately. Also, if you talk to us, you will know that we are ready to be guided and told that right now it is not possible for us to get promoted. You need to learn more. And than comes the main part - sit with us and make a plan. Tell what is needed. If the guy does what you ask for, promote him. If you wont deliver on the promise - f--- off. We are going off to do something else as the amount of work put in was worth it and we were not valued.

6) Yes, we are entrepreneurial. Thank god for that. We have absolutely learnt that we can not depend on one company for life given the current pace of changes in the world. Also, entrepreneurship creates jobs which is increasingly important. So, yes, we are entrepreneurial and you can keep s---ing up to the higher ups because you don't have a back up planned.

7) The financial crisis. Everything f---ed up. The exposes which have happened has opened up our eyes that we can't trust anyone. The big banks made a mockery of our parents and there was nothing that they could do. The wage growth has been stagnant. Housing conditions are deplorable. You people have f---ed us up in the arse. Stop with your entitlement and get working.

Instead of complaining about us, work with us rather than giving orders and bossing us around. We bring with ourselves a lot of tech savvy skills which are quite a time saver. Use us to bring them to the front. We are not lazy, entitled or anything. All of it is just in your mind. Stop with your entitled attitude. Idiots.

Also, please don't worry about our future, we will adjust and live our life with also taking care of the environment.

@#GOLDPOST @1fql - Good response - Gen X here, I took VSP - It was forced otherwise I would still be there. I think you brought up great points. I think Intel is a dinosaur with an out dated focal system and management who is completely out of touch with the millennials. That is very obvious. Let's face it, most companies are NOT like Intel, the start up that I went to (last layoff) is about as opposite as possible. No focal, no back stabbing, no competition with fellow team members. We all knew our jobs, and what was expected. The CEO has liquor in his office. Fridays you can drop in and have a drink - I kid you not. Now, for Intel, it's philosophy is ..I hire you...throw you on a team...and each year you have to fight in order to justify the reason I hired you..and no matter what...some of you are gone. What kind of sh-- company does that anymore? Anyways..great in-sight 1fql..much appreciated here.

Intel wants and needs the BEST of each generation 👌😎 ✌️

We - whatever gen you are - can all happily work together , sharing ideas, learning from each other.

It doesn't always have to be US against THEM , THEM against US.

🙏 ☮️Don't let them divide us.

United we stand 😍😊 ❤️ ...... we are I 💙 N 💙 T 💙 E 💙 L !!!!

#GOLDPOST @1fql.

I appreciated your post. It shed some light, at least for me, on how millennials think, and why they make the choices they do. I found it very enlightening. :)

I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think some of what might be happening is the fact people are upset with how they've been treated, and rightly so. Unfortunately, they are lashing out at the wrong people IMHO (placing blame?). That's not going to accomplish anything long term. Sure, it probably makes them feel good at the moment, but then the hate festers which isn't good for anyone.

I could go on but think it's best to step back off the soap box as it's near impossible to change other people's feeling on things. Personally, I think more respect is needed and not just with each other. Respect for people and things is seriously lacking in the world today.

Signed,

A Baby Boomer

The reason we millennials jump ship is because

1) We have seen people being walked off after working for a company for 10, 15 even 20 years. When someone sees such a thing at the beginning of their career, it is difficult for us to trust companies and not look out for ourselves.

2) There are a lot more opportunities now than they were 20 years ago because how connected the world has become. It is easy to get information about new opportunities.

3) Management. One of the biggest reasons is that we were raised by you people in an ideal world. But well, it is not. We do have a problem of wanting things our way but it is just not our problem, the way the management functions is absolutely unbelievable. When you have your 45 year old asking us on how to sum up numbers on a spreadsheet - yes, that makes us question the capabilities of them. When the management won't listen to us and our problems and fails to provide us with the work life that we want - why not the f--- jump ship? Just because you are jealous?

4) What f---ing demeanor is that guy talking about? We have seen many managers b---s---ting around. In fact, many just do that. Take advantage of us. You f---ers are also not saints, so don't expect us to be. You can yourself see the state Intel is in. The CEO taking up huge raises while walking off people working for 20 years in a single day. Is that the demeanor and work ethic and moral behavior you are talking about?

5) The skills argument. May be a only rational argument that there is. We do think highly of ourselves but that is only because the world has set such a low standard for itself lately. Also, if you talk to us, you will know that we are ready to be guided and told that right now it is not possible for us to get promoted. You need to learn more. And than comes the main part - sit with us and make a plan. Tell what is needed. If the guy does what you ask for, promote him. If you wont deliver on the promise - f--- off. We are going off to do something else as the amount of work put in was worth it and we were not valued.

6) Yes, we are entrepreneurial. Thank god for that. We have absolutely learnt that we can not depend on one company for life given the current pace of changes in the world. Also, entrepreneurship creates jobs which is increasingly important. So, yes, we are entrepreneurial and you can keep s---ing up to the higher ups because you don't have a back up planned.

7) The financial crisis. Everything f---ed up. The exposes which have happened has opened up our eyes that we can't trust anyone. The big banks made a mockery of our parents and there was nothing that they could do. The wage growth has been stagnant. Housing conditions are deplorable. You people have f---ed us up in the arse. Stop with your entitlement and get working.

Instead of complaining about us, work with us rather than giving orders and bossing us around. We bring with ourselves a lot of tech savvy skills which are quite a time saver. Use us to bring them to the front. We are not lazy, entitled or anything. All of it is just in your mind. Stop with your entitled attitude. Idiots.

Also, please don't worry about our future, we will adjust and live our life with also taking care of the environment.

@fxq - Millenials expect to get promoted every year as if passing levels in a video game. This is the way their brains are wired ... and they get pissed when they find out reality isn't like that at all ... most leave for another company. Very few put in the effort to really earn the skillsets required for a promotion.

Shut up people. Millennials had to go through the 2008 mess baby boomers and GenX created. Easy to point fingers.

I would have worked another 10 to 15 years and be happy with intels $hit raises of 2 to 3 percent and no promotions. But my boss saw it fit to give me a L4 for working only 60 hours a week on a important but less visible program.

Now I had five offers of which two came with raises, and one over 30%.

I hope Intel and BK get what they they pay for with them young RCGs who know little and will leave the company once the going gets tough and the pay freezes in 2018

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What I have found from hiring the younger generation (30 and under) is not that they don't work hard.........its that they do one project or 1yrs work and they expect to be promoted. They seem to reluctant to the idea that they are not QUALIFIED for the next level and in some cases do not have the skill set or the demeanor to EVER have the skillset for that next level. I had one guy that complained and explained that it was his goal to become a director of engineering before age 30. I blinked and just gave up trying to explain how unrealistic his outlook was.

Intel seems to promote management track folks who are the best at organizational skills rather than technical. Mostly that ends up being female indians. The technical track promotions are to those who are willing to work 60-80hrs a week and talk over everyone at meetings.

Gen X'ers are the best!

Baby boomers were great too, but their time has mostly come and gone.

Worried about the future with the millenials.