8 years Ive been here. $60,000 a year and 5 weeks vacation. I know anyone reading this who doesnt work for UoP will probably not undrrstand this next sentance, but Im really starting to wonder if it's worth it any more. I have no chance for advancement. No chance for a raise/ability to make more money for my family, and wonder if Im hurting my career by staying here. Nothing seems to work around here. It's mearly impossible to move a student forward without arguing with an AC & FC. Constant threat of layoffs. Upper management that is shakey. There must be more out there. I dont take my work home ever. Just questioning whether its worth it to stay. what about you all?
29 replies (most recent on top)
Amen. I have a new job too but it starts in Mid January. It is so hard to hang on knowing the end is coming but I am happier already
I left the company and had to take a 10k payout. I couldn't be happier! It only took me about a month to find a new job. I knew I was overpaid at uop and just bite the bullet to be happier
Bwahahahahaha.. who the f does this guy think he is trying to say uop and a community college are comparable? State universities generally help community colleges design their associates programs so they can transfer into their upper level courses. In short, preparing them for the final two years. There is a BIG reason why they DON'T work with UOP in that fashion: They already know the BS education UOP provides. MCC v UOP...one is considered legit, the other a fraud. Seriously, go f off...salesman.
Wow...reading these posts...smh. I have worked for this company for 3yrs as an Enrollment Rep. I have learn usually the employees who claim enrollment practices are legit, are the employees that have little morals and values when it comes to doing the right thing. Yes, it is the student who chooses to come here and take out loans, yes we talk to them about responsible borrowing...but lets be honest, the company markets to people who they feel have little knowledge about the college process, lacks basic computer skills, and people who are in poverty. The school markets to high risk students. The company wants to put everything on the student; while making them belive it has their best interest at heart. Everyday this job tests my integrity because getting a Reg is not always what is best for the student. The company only care about sales, not students, and they damn sure dont care about their employees. Last year I witness people getting bad performance reviews to force them to add themselves to the voluntary layoff list, got coaching from my manager about producing double digit Regs but in my Rocs notes mention nothing about Regs, is encouraged to enroll people who doesnt even know what a web browser is, and lets student start class before clearing fafsa c-codes. We are sales people who use candy to get the babies...we tell them just enough information to get the sale and avoid warning of any side effects. The company is clever and deceitful. To the world, the company claims to be one way but internally we all know its something different. We have no quotas, yet we have meetings about how many Regs we should have a month and if u dont have it, u getting hell from management. Anyone who defends this company is either ruffless like the company or sadly has been brainwash by the company. Thanks to the people who shared their career stories after leaving UOP, I know its better opportunities out there. The pay for some may be good and the job may be easy, but if u looking for career growth and to gain honest job skills, you wont get it here. If you decide to stay, then good for you but dont complain if you get let go because its been made clear via company actions that employees are expendable. I am looking for employment and look forward to seeing this place as the thing of the past.
Thanks for the advice all. I greatly appreciate it!
As for the CC teacher. Im not making a joke here, seriously, but you want to discuss standards while working at a CC? If you have a pulse, a CC will take you. CC's are simply an extension of high school. No one in higher academia truthly takes CCs seriously. They're a great option for some students, and are valuable. No denying that. However, please do try over play the quality of a CC vs UOP. Who's naive now....
Wow. Fun thread to read. I was cut two years ago when local servicing went away. Took 3 weeks to get a similar job at a small private college. It's been interesting- I have more people coming to me curious about UOP and asking about rigor. The reality is there is a find line between for and non-profit. We all need enrollment. We all need accreditation. I enjoyed my UOPX experience (15 years) but my new work life is fantastic.
Don’t listen to the negative people on this thread. I worked for UOP for about nine years and left over a year ago. Most of my co-workers as well as myself have moved on to other jobs that are as good if not better. In my case better money and hours. My advice is start looking ASAP. Depending on your market it can take a little while to find something. It took me about 6 months to find something but I also turned a couple things down as I did not feel they were the right move. Again start looking yesterday, be persistent, and ignore the negative posts.
Stilllaughingatu, I've taught at several other schools, most non profit. I think in some classes at Phoenix the rigor isn't there, but that is because there are no admission standards. Community college also is open enrollment, but students must take remedial classes until they can show they are ready for college level work. Phoenix should have done this from the start, but they probably knew that students balk at no credit courses and drop out, which is bad for the bottom line. But ultimately I think if they ever want to improve their reputation, they need to enforce admission standards. Most students in the intro classes at Phoenix are just not ready for college level work. However, I think it's a different story for students who are taking courses for accreditation, etc..
Original poster...I quit and found a much better job. Ignore the "telemarketing" posts, you are a sales person, and a good one if you can sell a fake degree. Most people I interviewed with know little about UOP, it's all how you spin it. I just hope you didn't get your degree from UOPEnis.
You are a naive child. For-profit schools "push" people along. I have been a community college teacher and an administrator for more than 20 years, and I can honestly tell you that the rigor at any state university is far superior to that of a for-profit school. Everyone but the Phoenix shills and dolts who bought their degrees there knows this. We laugh at anyone who "touts" a UOP degree.
Im curious 'laughing'. Do you have a degree? If so, from UoP, somewhere else? Ill be the first to admit....Harvard we're not. That said, do not be naive to think state schools dont run the same way. They just have limited space for buyts in seats. As an example, ASU is a corporate machine. If they had the riom, they would gladly put more butts in seats, but they can't. Also, by limiting their clasd size, they can also hike tuition by 6,7% every year. Do the research, it's not getting cheaper. Also, do not think for a minute that state schools all produce Albert Einsteins. I went to college with LOTS of idiots who had no reason being there. Their ACTs were good wnough to get them in and mommy and daddy could afford tuition. UoP students still fail courses, still have AP & AD status just like other colleges. We simoly allow anyone who wants to earn a degree to enroll. Thats the beauty of online...no space limitations.
That's quite easy. It's an open enrollment institution, accepting anyone and pushing ALL who "complete" their work on to the next course. As someone who worked in academics, I saw the "finished" product of undergraduate and graduate students ( students who bought their undergrad at UOP), and the submissions I read were closer to 9th grade writing than college level work. The degrees are really not up to traditional university rigor, but are more on par with a vocational school education. All for-profit schools are about the bottom-line, not intellectual inquiry.
I worked enrollment for 8 years and took the buy out last November. First year out of uop I'm going to pass 75k after working 10 months at my current company. If you're not scared to work hard, leave. You'll be glad you did.
Tell me "Laughing...",why do you think UOP is a diploma mill? Have you taken classes here before? Are you merely basing your opinion off of other opinions? Would a diploma mill be accredited by The Higher Learning Commission..multiple times..and again recently reaffirmed? Please, share your vast knowledge on how we are a diploma mill. We'd love to know.
You work for a diploma mill as a salesperson. You really must be mentally "tilted." You'll get a nice customer service job with an insurance company one day. Good luck.
The posts are hillarious. FYI, Im not from AZ. My two Bachelors are from a major, state school in the midwest. I cannot divulge here bc folks will know who is posting this (management is always watching, you know). The college is highly recognized, and has some of the best programs in the U.S. for Business and Journalism. So, my education is valid.
Also, those 'Practices' you speak of, haven't existed for years. In my division, I dont feel pressured to enroll anyone. Enrolling is my job, and I work with students who want to get their Bachelor degree, but no one forces me to do so. Also, I dont make commission. Straight salary...with no chance of a raise I might add (the whole purpose of this thread). I dont know if you all were wronged by the college, but geesh. Lighten up. I was asking ex employees who left the college, not folks who love to troll bc they are butt hurt about something. Keep trying though. The amount of wrong information you are spouting is both wrong and very comical.
Former UoP employee. Left one year ago and been blessed with working as a independent contractor making 6 figures with 6 months of work. There is life after UoP....dont let the negative environment consume you.
To the dweeb with "two bachelors" from a state school and a fake MBA from UOP: ASU is barely a step up from UOP, dill weed. Why would anyone with that much education still work for this diploma mill? I'm sure you'll get a job at a used car lot one day, scholar.
Nice try, but the department of education has already exposed the "counseling" of the Phoenix sales team and that counseling is boiler room, hard sell tactics based on numbers. So, you are lying. At least have the intellectual honesty of admitting you target the "underserved" and use a government program to exploit them.
Please don't confuse a counseling position such as a social worker, addictions counselor, etc. with what I do. I counsel my students are proper program paths, responsible borrowing, etc. It's a legit job.
I don't know if you are a UoP employee (past or present) who is simply trolling, a person who's bored at work and likes message boards, or a current/past student, but you do know we tell our students not to borrow more than they need, correct? The fact that students are greedy, and want money to pay bills, car notes, cigarettes, and pay for Christmas presents (we get the calls every day) is not the college's fault. I laughwhen I hear someone say it's our fault. We force no one to borrow loans. The student borrows money from the gov't. Nor do we force students to attend here. We often tell students (at least I do) that another school may be better for them bc it's cheaper. None of make commission, so no one is pushing anyone to enroll. People are greedy and make bad decisions. Simple. What folks do with a degree is up to them. The lazy ones tend to complain the most bc they can't find a job. It takes effort to find a job, and is the responsibility of the student not the college.
If being enrollment at uop is a "legit counseling position", I am sure you have a legit counseling credential for the state you operate in to perform said duties. The department of education also wouldn't be coming down hard on uop for its "legit counseling." You are a salesperson, nothing more. Your "legit counseling" is hand holding unqualified people to take out loans they will never repay and will hamstring their lives...sounds "legit" to me.
Hahaha. Now THAT'S funny.
Just stop with ur b---s--- responses as if you have any other agenda but to make people feel bad. You are disgusting and clearly misinformed. You are likely some dipshit who thinks you were wronged but could not be part of any settlement because you got your pell grant and split now your all sad you can't get any more money and likely can't pay ur collection balance. Settle down douchebag, we know who you are.
Thanks for the reponses. I appreciate it.
Funny this is Im not a telemarketer. I have a legit counseling position where Im busy helping students all day. Yes, there are telemarleting aspects, but 80% of my day is spent having conversations.
I also have two Bachelor degrees from a state school in addition to my MBA. So, I think my education will help me. For thos ex UOP folks, how hard was it to find a job outside of here?
Since I can easily tell you are a telemarketer for UOP, I will be as blunt as possible. You will not find a job that pays you anything close to what you make, given your skill set of being a telemarketer at UOP. UOP telemarketers only job is to dial a phone and act as if they dont know anything else. It's not ENTIRELY your fault, the Phoenix was designed to be that way...which is why it is failing and will fail sooner rather then later. My advice is to accept the fact that ANY job you apply for is going to be a severe pay cut and accept the reality that you are in.
I have worked at UoPX for over 10 years and I am actively looking for another job. We may have to step down a notch with a new company but can move up further than staying at UoPX
We Rise
I tend to agree with the above: double whammy will be difficult to overcome. it's a trademark of the type of employee you are and the culture you are accustomed to..Look at Linkedin, many managers/directors/vps have only found jobs at small companies with probably lower salaries, and seemed to take a while to get that job. Best wishes
I took the layoff package last Nov... worked at UOP for 6years. I couldn't take it anymore so I decided to leave. I currently have the best job ever! There is light at the end of the tunnel. :)
You won't ever find another decent job again, especially if you have the double whammy: a long work tenure with UOP and a fake degree from this diploma mill. You are f---ed. Blessings be upon ye.