I'm a manager at CS-W. I have to admit, another layoff would come in handy right about now.
I have an employee in my group that isn't working out. Layoffs have been an effective way to take care of problems.
It's sad, but true.
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I don't frequent the forum. However, because of some ongoing issues of improper management, I visit from time to time to see what is going on with other branches and if the same problems exist there. My problem with your post is that there's a lot of dead weight around here who rest on their tenure with the company or their friendships or family to keep their jobs. I don't understand why managers like you don't fire these people. Waiting for a layoff doesn't seem like a viable solution. Letting slackers keep their jobs lowers morale (which barely exists) and causes good employees to finally give up and leave. Why do think this is good business practice?
As far as being afraid of being fired or laid off, not an issue for someone who's spent more time contracting than as a company employee. We always have something lined up.
As far as my business, I'm a DB designer.
Is it possible for you to actually defend your position or can you only attack me personally because you really don't know why you do what you do? You seem overly defensive for someone who's supposedly in management.
haha - military, we could have a bunch of wright bothers planes and still kill plenty of camels. The only enemy there actually is, might be the one being imagined by the reality makers. These enemies dont even have any food and we are told what a staunch force they actually are....thousands of years and nobody has changed them yet - but our govt is going to be the good global police force. If there were no resources, be it drugs or oil, we wouldnt even bother with them...not a whole lot of intervention in africa where whole nations are genocide beds, but they don't really have anything "we" need.
Mr. or Mrs. U.S. citizen and business owner, what kind of business are you in?
It's a bit odd that you frequent an L-3 layoff forum when you don't work there. Seriously, it seems like you are overly concerned about your spouse getting let go. Just hire him or her and do away with the stress. If your spouce still underperforms under your watch you can use your Trump-like skills and get your spouse on a personal inprovement plan. It will all work out.
Really!? You want a lean, mean defense contractor!? Then do your job and stop hoping a layoff will do it for you! I reiterate with even more conviction, you're part of the problem. You say you want to rid the company of dead weight, yet you do nothing. Then to prove how truly intelligent you are, you decide to brag about the fact that you're allowing someone under your direct control to just hang around, day after day, year after year and draw a paycheck while others do their own jobs and take up the slack and your big solution is to wait it out and hope for a layoff. Maybe the company wouldn't lose good, hardworking people if you and others like you actually did their job! I suspect, given that you've yet to address a single issue I've raised and chosen instead to attack me personally, that you have no idea what you're doing and the you are indeed the "fat" that needs to be trimmed. Perhaps a brisk walk, protein bar and Red Bull in hand, toward the Exit would do the trick!
No lay offs here. We can't get done with the work we have in front of us now. And are looking for more people. If you layed anymore of us off our managers would have to work. You know that ain't happening.
Oh I get it, your spouse isn't fairing to well on her performance reviews. Tough break man. She can turn it around if she works harder before the ax falls. I prefer to see a defense contactor division that is lean and mean, effective and efficent. Not one that is fat, overweight, and a drag on the defense budget. Sometimes you have to exercise a bit and drop a few in the mid section and thighs.
You don't know what the military has to do with it!? You are working on government contracts, right? Or are you doing "high-performance intelligence collection, imagery processing and satellite communications" for Wal-Mart? I'm not one of your minions and I haven't been laid off. I'm a United States citizen and business owner who's spouse works for L-3. Luckily, not for whoever you are or I'd make sure your days were numbered. You obviously are clueless as to the "big picture". What you do and how you conduct yourself as a manager directly effects those under your supervision and to make a comment about layoffs being an "effective way to take care of problems" is irresponsible and makes light of a serious issue. The fact that you find it necessary to make such ignorant comments on a site where they can be read by anyone and everyone, tells me that you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. It's not just "business", it's critical to the operation and security of this Nation. Maybe you're under the impression your playing Call of Duty or war games. I suggest you get a clue, do your job and keep the sarcastic comments off of a public forum.
Some employees know exactly how much they need to do to keep a job and their contribution ends there. This type of employee exist throughout the company. Every layoff our department used the numbers given to us by HR and executive management to clean house. We pushed back when it started to cut into productivity and HR backed off. This has been the game sponsored by HR and it has been played well by every department. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, I suspect you were let go. IDK, maybe try harder next time? I don't see what this has to do with the military, it's just business, not welfare.
I am beyond floored that someone in a management position for any company, much less one that works on our military's aircraft, would post such an irresponsible comment! If you worked for me, I wouldn't wait for a layoff to rid the company of a irresponsible, unprofessional, incompetent amateur like you. You're supposed to be a leader and a motivator. Please do our military a favor and kindly step away from their aircraft and seek employment at something less crucial to people's lives. Perhaps you'd be better suited as a fertilizer spreader. That way your shoveling skills wouldn't go to waste!
Ya right. Fought like hell. You kept those who played skin flute and bagged on those who spoke up.
Another manager here. I fought like hell for a few employees that were top performers and worth keeping. For the the few who were difficult to manage, I stepped out of the way and let the layoffs naturally fix my team. In the end it worked out for the better.
actually catered lunches are gods gift to managers, at least in most states, here it is more baby spirits they are gifted
wow, what a claim to fame, manager at L3...I just want to confirm your suspicions, the other people in your group that you think like you (assuming there are any, 1 is pretty much the average number of subordinates in this place), they don't, they are nice to you because you are the boss and probably talk about you quite a bit when complaining about their Stalingrad like existence
I suspect the problem with your employee isn't the employee, but your lack of management skills. This is typical at CSW where they promote engineers with very little people skills into a management position. Have you spoken to your employee about the problem you have with them? Have you assigned them interesting work or crap assignments in the hope they quit?
Layoffs are god's gift to managers. You can finally get rid of that ONE guy. You are stupid if you don't think every manager in CSW didn't take advantage of the multiple layoffs. If you were let go and this offends you, you are in denial. I'm sorry to say, you were not working out. To make you feel better, your manager probably sucked at doing his job too.
If you ask me, layoffs should start with Bruce Hancey. Literally.
Lay off everyone! CSW is the devil.
I agree, maybe if you would manage they would have a direction. I don't know very many people here who have management skills. I'm sure you are one of those. Lay off a couple of managers. Save money, Improve moral, and increase productivity.
Sorry, you lost me at "I'm a manager....." Go fuwk yourself
We have the opposite problems in Waco. We have a lot of stellar workers but out management is so poor and un-experienced in MOD world that we are close to losing all of our customers. No fear they are installing levels below them to absorb the first couple of reductions.
Sorry, sport, I guess you'll just have to do your job and try to work with the guy, even if it is only to document poor performance before getting rid of him.