absolutely nothing different and expecting a better outcome? There are more than enough jobs in our market. The problem is every employer wants the top 10% of each class. WTF are we supposed to do with the rest of the Jerry Springer students? You haven't made sure our schools even offer the rest of the tools these students need to be successful. WISE UP and give us a solid plan.
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139: It always amazes me that people believe so much that they hear without questioning it. There's no better spot for our government to be in than barely crawling out of the worst recession in our history. They get to knock off half the folks on the unemployment roles as "haven given up" and count the poor souls who decided to work at McD's part-time just to bring in SOMETHING as employed. In the meantime, the "new jobs" created are almost all minimum wage with no bennies. It just totally sucks!
More than enough jobs? Keep drinking the unemployment rate koolaid the government gives you. That number is pure BS. The real unemployment rate is close to 20%.
Admissions Reps: I know some of you are good guys (and gals) and that you're under even more pressure than most of us to be unethical. If you are looking for a new job, please collect documentation while you are there. Consider how many people will be hurt if ECMC continues on in the same manner. There are students with mountains of debt whose lives are effectively ruined. Many of them had never caught a break in their lives and then we came along and really pounded them into the pavement once and for all, crushing any aspiration they may have had. I couldn't take it and I'm finally out. I wish I had photos of our admissions boards and had taken notes during our horrendous calls so I could give ED, the AGs, consumer groups, etc actual evidence and quotes with names and titles attached. Those have made a big difference in the past. Most people don't know much about financial aid or job placement, but they do know that Admissions Officers are not suppoed to act like used car salesmen. Thanks for any who try to help.
109: Ha ha! It blew my mind but my campus (I won't tell you where, but you wouldn't be surprised) actually recently hired a new Admissions Rep whose previous job was...actual USED CAR SALESMAN!!! Wow, what a great college we must have here! Priceless!
095 -- we'll see when the school names actually change. I agree that if they don't take very aggressive action to rebrand that they will fail. In Florida, EVERYONE knows that Everest isn't a real school, and everyone knows where the campuses are. Changing the name (especially to something stupid sounding like Zenith) isn't going to help one bit. Same look, same location, same employees. Everyone who would ever "make the call" after seeing an Everest-style ad has already done so. At this point it's beating a dead horse -- calling and calling to try to get a dreg or two a month to start class then drop out.
Anonymous70083: Yeah, the fact that ECMC keeps running the same ads is a pretty sure sign of business as usual. For some reason, they looked at CCi's long-term slow but sure failure, and decided that we were doing the right thing anyway. Targeting the right population, conducting operations with just the right amount of sleaze and rule breaking. Maybe they believe that mysterious market forces (or naughty gremlins) caused the massive slo-mo crash-and-burn we've been witnessing for ten years? WTF?!? Are they actual imbeciles?
Zenith is doomed if they operate ethically. They are required to continue the same predatory business model or face guaranteed failure.
959: I don't blame it on market conditions. I just left for a competitor 9also ACICS btw) and our student body is NOTHING like Everest's was. My first thought was "what in the world was CCi doing wrong? There are actually fairly bright, motivated students out there who WANT to become productive citizens and get the tools they need to do that." It was a mystery until I took a sick day and watched the ads. Look up ads on YouTube for any of CCi's competitors and then look at yours. CCi intentionally went straight for the bottom to target and have a better chance at getting the social echelon that the competition didn't even want. They were never meant to be really trainable, or employable, that's why the unrelenting pressure - to cause instructors to pass through people who are learning nothing, and to get placement to lie, cheat and steal to make minimum accreditation standards.
957: I largely agree with, but there are some agravatimg circumstances here. CCI is driven to maximize revenue and profit. Market conditions are such that admissions is forced to enroll a great many "students" who have no business being in our school. In order to keep them enrolled (and keep the revenue coming in), curriculum and performance requirements are watered down to ridiculous levels. I suspect that increasing and enforcing standards would have resulted in CCI closing 1-2 years ago.
I have taught for a few for and non profit colleges. At every one, curriculum was clear and appropriate. Doing the work and completing the class meant mastery of knowledge. Student failure to attend or do work is the student fault, not the colleges. I am a democrat, but seeing all the "poor students" bs has got me thinking my politics are wrong. Enroll in college, do the work, get a degree. That is how it works. Cci, Heald, Everest, wyotech...all give students an opportunity. It is their responsibility to take advantage of it.
885, that makes even less sense. How do you confuse the Dept of Ed with instructors and deans? Wow! And you think professors have the power to make changes? You are so pretty.
904: You are such an idiot.
OP, that Jerry Springer market needs a shot at education according to ED and every other government agency. Clue, we have a monitor and are being "scrutinized" by the same department you are appealing to. As I truly see it we all have choices. If you can't do it, we will not hold you against your will. The door is wide open!
@885. Your clarification makes you sound even dumber than your original post.
874 and 883: This is 864. When I said education department I meant the teachers, deportment chairs and Deans. I didn't mean the government Department of Ed. Thanks.
Just another troll trying to start something. No clue about how things work.
Dept of Ed doesn't make the plans. They are an oversight body. You are clueless.
864, you realize it's not the Department of Ed that's pounding on admissions to double the starts, right?It's the schools who aren't doing their jobs.
I've previous warned all of you about Mike L......Troy is no better and Hawn is the absolute worse of the group. At each successive level they become more incompetent. It's just starting.
Layoffs in 90 days.
Chicago is gonna be gone ASAP
OP is right. The admissions reps are pounded to double their starts. The Career Services are pounded over and over to place students who the companys don't want or the students don't want to work. In the middle we find the education department that is pounded daily/ hourly for attrition and why people who can't read or write or don't have place to stay or don't have food to eat, or don't have babysitting for their 4 kids, or they are high most of the time. Mike L showed his nastiness very fast. His only concern is profit. Keep pounding us until you get what you want Mike. I hope the DOE pounds on your nastiness and the nastiness of your bullies ( RVPO 's) soon.
In my state, the Dept of ED does have approval for degree and certificate programs for career colleges both profit and non-profit. Given the typical student that we enroll, the approved programs should definitely include some extra business professional basics.
Are you trolling, or do you really not know that it's up to the schools, not the ED, to devise the programs and provide the tools for students to succeed?