Simply, the way you can tell if the college is worth a darn is if any single class can be transferred to USC, Penn State, UCLA, etc. If they can't, the school is a rip-off. If you are told the degree can transfer, just not a single class, its just talk, not all colleges will accept the private degrees.
"Accreditation" is really screwed up as most of these private college are "accredited", its just from a bozo group, but hey its "accredited."
The schools are nationally accredited, NOT regionally accredited. Simply put, the credits will not transfer.
838, if I am finding this hilarious, particularly the raging insult from a stranger, why would I need anger management?!?! Weird you think I need it. But them again, I've learned the posters on this site are pretty weird. That's the fun of it.
Anonymous68838 - it's usually the one who brings up "anger management" who needs the help with it, but you're right -- non-profits are generally cheaper and have much, much better instructors. A better deal all round.
The decision to accept transfer credits is always in the hands of the school who would be accepting the credits. We have community colleges here that refuse credits from other community colleges if they offer the same program. Education is a business and competition often gets in the way.
741, you should take some anger management courses. Not for profit classes are much cheaper.
Anonymous68486 I'm late in giving you a much needed smack down, but better late than never. Numero Uno: Learn to spell accreditation before you rant about it. Numero Dos: The University of Phoenix has the EXACT SAME accreditation as every state school in its geographical region. Numero Tres: Seriously, you're an instructor? What the hell do you teach… Medical Assisting? (you're welcome)
676, my ignorance? Lol!! I've worked at several for profits. But you know what? I do not need to prove anything to you. You are just some punk ECMC is paying to try to make it all peaches and roses! It's hilarious, all of you!!!
694: So, confusing the concepts of non-profit and regionally accredited isn't just an error of semantics, it's an error in basic understanding. Many for profits are regionally accredited (UOP, Devry, even our own Heald) and colleges that have loose transfer policies will accept all of their credits. They will typically evaluate nationally accredited classes on a case-by-case basis (but are much less likely to accept) and will generally accept nationally accredited degrees as pre-reqs for advanced degrees 9you can take a BA from Everest and get a Master's from a state school). Colleges with stricter transfer requirements are just that. Harvard is regionally accredited, but isn't going to accept your community college Comp class. You just need to keep the concepts straight so you're not talking out of your ass.
Accreditation compliance to a thrown together worthless accreditation board is worthless. You can pretend to jump through all the hoops, but it doesn't change the fact if real schools don't accept your accreditation. Worthless board = worthless credits. Get real, try and transfer an English 101, History 101, Intro to business class from Everest, ITT, etc to ANY state school and see how far you get.
Stop playing the semantics game. Accept these degrees for what they are, they do help government employees already working to get ahead because government doesn't care where the degree comes from. It also can give confidence to a person that propels them ahead in life, but the degree is not going to magically become a real degree. They are pinocchio degrees.
Anonymous68521: Holy crap you're an idiot! On a thread about accreditation, you're saying that (1) regionally accredited colleges ALWAYS accept credits from other regionally accredited colleges (WTH?), and that (2) even if a college like U of P HAS regional accreditation, their students will somehow be discriminated against when they try to transfer because...for profit?!?
521 and 525: Honestly, you're showing your ignorance. Why don't even one of you tell me about your direct experience working in accreditation compliance for BOTH nationals and regionals? And someone from Admissions needs to get on here and set 525 straight. We don't accept any transfer credits? WHAT are you smoking? And I'm a "blind cheerleader" for having a knowledgeable, reasoned response? YOU are why this board is so boring lately. Just bored idiots rambling with no purpose.
521, you're right except about one thing. Most for profits won't accept transfer credits. It goes against their business model. You 'start over' at a for profit! But hell, you get a cookout or pizza party every term! That makes up for it!!
OP is exactly correct. Only a blind cheer leader for Everest would argue like 417. We all know that state colleges, community colleges, some established private colleges (Harvard, etc) can transfer individual classes to same colleges. One class at USC can transfer to UT, period. The private for profit colleges that we all know exist, Phoenix, Everest, ITT, etc, etc can't transfer individual classes, except to other private for profit schools that want to take them. Its not a mystery, it accepted accreditation boards versus thrown together accreditation boards. If 417 thinks Everest individual classes can transfer, he is certainly part of the problem and very stupid. I'm not saying there isn't value in Everest degrees, most of the students couldn't get into a real college, so this is what's left. Lets not kid ourselves. Too many students have been screwed that don't finish the degree and are left with non-transferable classes from these private colleges.
The Accredidation body is key. I've seen on multiple call for instructor jobs that they won't even consider you if your degree is NOT from a university that is not accredited in alignment with certain Accredidation boards. In other words, a PhD from U of Phoenix holds little weight compared to a PhD from a state university. Accredidation matters on EVERY level.
417: Nailed it!!!!
426 -- Fair enough, but that's one anecdote. Accreditation as a whole can be very complex. There's also info missing from your transfer story. You were in a hands-on program, are you sure that the community college would have accepted credits from other institutions? I'm not saying that credits from Everest/WyoTech always transfer or that they tend to transfer easily, but you need to understand that there are regionally accredited 4-year colleges that accept nationally accredited colleges' credits, and colleges that accept barely any credits despite accrediting body.
68422 - I graduated Wyotech HVAC. I interviewed for multiple jobs and was told every time that I don't have the knowledge that was required. I went to Community college that had the HVAC program for two years and was told there that my credits from Wyotech weren't transferable. So I actually know for a fact that the credits aren't transferable. The exact same programs in the same city and I couldn't transfer one to the other. I basically wasted 9 months and 18k at Wyotech. I finished at community college and have a good job now. I've based my OPINION on my own experience so don't assume you know more. You don't.
Does not matter about the accreditation if you pad grades and attendance. Students don't know anything anyway. It is the totality of the problem not just accredation
Anonymous68419: Transfer decisions are complicated, that's why most colleges have full-time Transfer Officers. If it was a question of accepting based on the accrediting body of the previous college, computers would do it. Please don't comment on issues that you're not knowledgeable on.
Actually the OP is correct. If you can't transfer your credits to a real school then your credits are useless.
Seriously? You were so proud of this comment (that you already posted twice under a single thread) that you thought it deserved its own thread? Let me reiterate for you: you have NO understanding of how accreditation works. Go away!