Whoever got butthurt at their comments getting downvoted and wrote the script that auto-votes all posts and comments so the number of likes and dislikes are always even, thanks for nothing.
You singlehandedly ruined the SAS page on this site.
Hope you're proud of yourself and that your fragile ego is intact. GFY.
"If you’re in JMP, donate $500/year to WUNC and let everyone know."
Bonus points if you drive electric Prius?
Minus 104 net reaction?? Looks there’s a new script in town.
Any American interested in this type of job?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI1pMmjbPr8
If you’re in JMP, donate $500/year to WUNC and let everyone know. You should be good. But you will never be as safe as the Art Department, which is safe.
"On the bright side, the Art Department is safe."
Any other safe areas? JMP perhaps?
On the bright side, the Art Department is safe.
Someone needs to write another acript and ruin things again.
I would but am not technical enough to understand what an acript is.
The software industry is being hit by three separate developments.
First, many startups were created, and many large companies over-hired, during the pandemic stimulus bo-m. When bo-m changed to bust, these companies laid off. Many of these laid-off people are still looking for work, and at some companies, layoffs are still ongoing.
Second, AI is able to do some of the tasks of a junior programmer. Where companies formerly needed one senior and two juniors, they may get by with one senior, one junior, and an AI. When companies can eliminate the cost of a salaried employee, they certainly will.
Third, outsourcing is a long-term trend that has never stopped. Did everyone notice when SAS Retail developers were laid off in Cary, but retained in India? There is no significant difference between manufacturing steel, automobiles, or software. They’re all manufacturing, and it’s cheaper to manufacture overseas.
The first of these developments is temporary; the laid-off people will work their way through the economy (some of them in different fields). But the other two indeed represent a “giant, permanent shift in the labor market”.
Good luck to all.
most companies are full of the can talk but cannot do people. my manager (at a different company) is one of them. he has some utility if he helps us, and there are 1 or 2 things we can still do well, so if we are rational, we try to keep him around until ICs do those 1 or 2 things. with AI doing more, it seems we (and the world) are getting rid of them, though. we have some player-managers, and hopefully fewer cushy do-nothing type managers.
a lot of "BS jobs" and not-BS jobs are getting eliminated so rapidly due to AI productivity gains (or just automation), it's a bit scary for everyone who's an employee anywhere at all. sounds like at SAS, it's a little worse with the do-nothing folks and managers. very normal but sooner or later you need innovation and growth. the economy is supposedly doing great, but it also seems there is a giant, permanent shift in the labor market affecting all of us. possibly gets worse before it gets better (does it get better?). good luck, everyone. if you are one of the do-nothings, yeah, that's terrible, but desperately holding on a few years may be very smart to do.
“The usefulness of this page" ... ??
All that it's useful for is giving the disaffected a place to seek confirmation bias.
Guess I should’ve subbed “functionality” for “usefulness,” but yes, that aspect of this page is unaffected by vote-hacking. People can still comment and reply at will.
3nio+1vyhiSa1 The company is also full of people who will go the extra mile to make it clear what they are proposing. Often times having to implement it themselves because it is just easier than the alternative.
"Those weren’t failures of strategy, but of execution. Almost all those efforts were put under control of sycophants and incompetents who could not deliver."
There are lots of people who can talk a good game, but can't play. It's hard to smoke them out, and once you do, it's hard to respect them and take them seriously.
For example, someone I know can loudly tell others that they need to "do some task".
Instead of demonstrating, they talk and double down on the order. Ask them again, and they wave their hands and provide every excuse or deflection possible to avoid demonstrating. Then they run away. They don't want you to know they are full of cr-p and don't know what they are doing. It's the damndest thing to experience.
The company is full of these people.
"The usefulness of this page" ... ??
All that it's useful for is giving the disaffected a place to seek confirmation bias. Sorry you aren't able to derive significance from 6 upvotes anymore.
Maybe go outside, get a hobby, find a community that isn't based on bi--hing about the glories of yesteryear?
@3rqb+1vyhiSa1 Lament=whine
Easy to find fault and blame from the sidelines while at the same time insisting that it is someone else keeping you on those same sidelines.
Only thing keeping you on the sidelines is ability and/or willingness to try.
Sidelines are easy.
In my opinion, the culture here is utterly narcissistic.
Think about the mindset of "not invented here". Holding that mindset requires an inherent belief that one group is superior to another. That belief structure permeates the culture, resulting in vanity projects, internal bullying, and little cliques.
That accurately describes my experience at SAS. Good ideas were stifled, by bullies who insisted on their own ideas, and incompetents who could not tell a good idea from a bad one.
It was certainly a case of innovator’s dilemma, and even superior management could not have competed against open source and big data internet companies.
However, there is a solution to that problem: to go into other markets where the competitors are not. SAS tried vertical markets, but almost all those efforts failed. SAS tried video games, but those failed too.
Those weren’t failures of strategy, but of execution. Almost all those efforts were put under control of sycophants and incompetents who could not deliver.
Finally, a major and expensive effort was put under the control of a highly intelligent academic. But that person also believed the only good ideas were his own, and would not listen to others.
There is nothing to do now but “lament” what was, and could have been, learn from it what we can, and move on.
Many descriptions of the inside sound very similar to the disfunction that grows in other companies, only not quite as bad:
https://lbrito.ca/blog/2023/12/leaving-amazon.html
It is a large company where decisions flow from top to bottom. These decisions are to be accepted as facts of life. There is no conversation, no room for debate, and no one to appeal to. No exception, no accommodation. Scream against the wind all you want, write a petition with 30,000 signatures - doesn’t matter.
Big ships take a long time to turn around. Everything moves slowly and there is little space for experimentation. Do you have a good idea? Maybe something dozens of others also agree is a good idea? Good luck getting that into any roadmap.
structural innovator's dilemma changes happened (big data internet companies monetizing ads or services needed to commoditize some of the complements - analytics and other software) so even the theoretically best managers on the planet would have been unable to adapt to such a dilemma (listening closely to your own customers seems to be a smart move to d-mb and smart managers alike, especially d-mb managers, but it's the move that ultimately checkmates yourself because the innovations are taking over from the "low end" on up; if you try to do the low end, it shoots your current high end business in the foot - hence a cannot win checkmate dilemma). people who don't even understand this dilemma ... needless to say they cannot choose any moves because they don't see/understand the problem. a lot of them whined that they were listening to (the ever shrinking and aging out) user base. you can lose quickly or you can try to lose very slowly and hold out hope for something new. for the sleeping people in the back, no, losing slowly is not the same kind of stable business as the toilet paper and soap business.
@3gqc+1vyhiSa1 “The only good ideas were their ideas. And they were not terribly bright”
That sounds like bullying. I hate the word snowflake. But snowflake…
Many SAS managers were bullies. Ignorant of technology, ignorant of how to innovate, they were defensive about their lack of skills — and for good reason.
SAS HR never had the means or inclination to restrain them, so they were allowed to abuse their employees.
They also stifled innovation. The only good ideas were their ideas. And they were not terribly bright. That’s why SAS is no longer a leader in analytics.
I don’t think I’m “so f’ing great.“ I think I was lucky in my timing. I enjoyed some great managers, smarter than me, mixed in with the bullies and the incompetents.
Unfortunately, the bullies and the incompetents won. I’ll always believe, if the better ideas had prevailed, then SAS could have achieved its potential.
As @1qbf+1vyhiSa1 says, I "lament" what was, and what could have been. It's sad to watch the slow endgame -- and safer to watch from a distance.
Good luck to all.
'Butthurt whiners'. Sounds a bit like bullying. What is it with this company and the folks that bully others for it?
If you've worked there for a long time, did really well, and are proud of it, good for you. Stop thinking you're so f-ing great. Maybe you were simply lucky, at the right place at the right time. Others weren't as lucky, and their opinions are just as valid.
“ If the scriptor wants real influence then he/she should buy the company. But that is real work versus merely being a ja----s.”
That made zero sense. Keep trying though.
I’m sure he/she could just “go buy the company”.
On the flip side all you butthurt whiners could just go buy the company? Or start your own companies if you are so smart.
If the scriptor wants real influence then he/she should buy the company. But that is real work versus merely being a ja----s.
Say what you have to say regardless of upvotes or downvotes.
The scripter likes to cheat.
One person’s “whine” is another’s “lament” at the slow death of a company we gave large portions of our lives to help build.
Perhaps such sentiment is too idealistic, even leaning cultish for some, yet for other’s represents decades being part of a great workplace culture that also provided a sense of identity, community and lifelong relationships.
Being part of SAS was a way of life, not merely a job for many of us. It is a bit sad to witness the decline of this and the realization that it likely will not continue much longer.
This page was ruined long ago by all the butthurt whiners on here. Now it is just a place for entertainment and to goad the weak minded.