Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

F*** you cisco leaders

I feel disheartened when I receive only a 2.5% pay hike, with no other benefits such as promotion or RSU refreshment.

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I got 3% on an 8% inflation year… so yeah…

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Post ID: @8arc+1vf2pFfD
You want me to work harder, then pay me more. I do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. No more, no less.

At smaller companies I've come into teams of embedded developers with no abstraction experience and they were writing at least twice as much code as they should have, and when they hit coding they were working 90 hours a week for 40 hours of pay. I went back to seriously refactor the system in both requirements and design and cut back the amount of work needed so the team could finish at a 40 hour a week rate. I was never rewarded for it because from the management's point of view they don't care that they were no longer burning their people, the product showed up at the same end date. It took a lot longer for them to understand the implications in terms of maintaining and extending the code in follow on releases as well as how the skills could shorten newer programs and that's when the money and promotions started to flow.

Management at Cisco is paralyzed by fear and between rewrites, cut and paste and bad sync/merge selection across what was at one time thousands of branches Cisco produced enormous technical debt and very little actual work, then they made the same mistakes in creating a bunch of new operating systems. Should the world reward you for putting in 80 hour weeks to do maybe 10-20 hours of actual new feature work a week when the rest of the world is 50 years ahead of you in software skills getting at least twice the work done in half the time? Is that really "a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?"

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Post ID: @4hhj+1vf2pFfD

I got the same, my manager "insisted" it was so low because of budgeting...

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Post ID: @1kvw+1vf2pFfD

the people behind these adjustments are fiendishly clever

they know that Cisco's rep is so low at this point that if you can manage an offer at all in this bloodbath market, it may very well be considerably lower than your current pay

you have to hand it to them, they pretty much painted us into a corner

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Post ID: @1ksb+1vf2pFfD

RSUs aren't useful unless you think you won't be caught by a LR before they vest...

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Post ID: @1tad+1vf2pFfD

Leave already and eff you people expecting stuff like this is a id--t union job. A large amount of you aren't worth anywhere near what you are being paid as it is. I can tell you some managers are over the coddling of ICs who happen to think they run the company or have the intelligence and authority to do so. I say that a number of you are going to be crying by the end of Q3 and finally giving your managers a break from the incessant whining AND ARROGANCE. If you don't like it leave, if you do - stfu. You are not special from the business and technical standpoint so go ahead and make it easier for management to brighten your holiday.

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Post ID: @1ipz+1vf2pFfD
... let them decide to escalate or revise the deadline as appropriate.

It appears management has gone soft recently. They used to just tell you when you were pulled in to fix someone else's disaster that they already set they schedule and we have to meet it. It's far easier on the manager's bonus to blame you than to admit they didn't schedule the tasks correctly.

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Post ID: @lld+1vf2pFfD
Expecting something without pushing is slightly spoiled

If you don't get a cost-of-living-adjustment, then you're getting paid less. Which means I'm delivering less. You want me to work harder, then pay me more. I do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. No more, no less.

As it should be.

Do I mentor others? Yes. Every week.
have I hit my numbers? I'm not in sales, so that doesn't apply. Do I deliver my tasks by their deadlines? Yes, unless it's something outside my control in which case I've told my manager why and let them decide to escalate or revise the deadline as appropriate.

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Post ID: @vaj+1vf2pFfD

You are not good

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Post ID: @wir+1vf2pFfD

You'll get nothing and like it.

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Post ID: @tfn+1vf2pFfD

You have to earn it
Have you done stretch assignments
Have you hit your number
Have you mentored others
Expecting something without pushing is slightly spoiled

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Post ID: @tvf+1vf2pFfD

You have a job that's all don't be greedy.

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