Will a manager straight up let you know you are not ready for promotion?
Asked manager what he is looking for when deciding promotions. He said that you are almost there but not quite there yet .
Sounds like a load of BS to me.
Why not specifically say what you're looking for rather than these vague answers.
Grade 8 - yrs ?
Grade 10 - yrs ?
Grade 11 - yrs ?
Don't forget to ask how many years for everyone to become CEO!
At most companies most engineers hit the engineering wall at what Cisco calls Engineer 4 and once upon a time Cisco had quite a few in the over 60 crowd. Cisco made up a bunch of different levels above it to create the illusion of advancement. The vast majority of the development budget went to bug fixing which meant what little development there was was done poorly, which is a sign that most of the people doing it are already playing well beyond their skill level.
what is the typical years of experience for the below grade levels ? (i understand some bright ones may jump grades earlier than normal, lets skip that for now)
Grade 8 - yrs ?
Grade 10 - yrs ?
Grade 11 - yrs ?
i have not been promoted from G10 to G11 for many years
That happens almost automatically after 4 years. Our most recent G10 to G11 promotion happened after only 3 years. How many years are "many years"?
you fu----s are talking about PE promotion , i have not been promoted from G10 to G11 for many years by these douchebags this promo has got to be one of the most easiest to do in Cisco especially the truck loads of them been done in the past few years every tom di-k and harry got it in all orgs across the company and my fu--ing management is acting like its some kind of king charles throne that i need to attain very evil mfu-kers and sadists.
“ Fact: promotions first hurdle is time, yes it’s written in management bible, you have to first pay your dues.” No it’s not. If you have a sh---y manager it might be. If you have a manager that can’t separate the path they had to take and what you earn yourself as a member of their team it might be. If you have a manager that is an advocate for their people, time is absolutely not a hurdle.
I think they've started to hand them out more freely as a substitute for compensation.
Title inflation has been going on for most of Cisco's existence but the PE ranks started over filling about 15 years ago. The cost to Cisco for their failures is staggering.
My manager started to dangle the PE carrot under my nose in 2015, but I finally got it in end of 2021. I got 4% in 2017 as my only raise and 4% for the promotion. If it wasn't for RSU's it would be tight.
But now most of my team is PE. I think they've started to hand them out more freely as a substitute for compensation.
To get a promotion it is not based on performance but how well you brown nose the VP
What's up with this "RSU refreshment", "my promo" or "my raise" garbage? Let's be blunt - 90% of the offshore help is incompetent top to bottom. ELT the top 3 layers past that to the point of wondering how much is legal in their comp plans. I would say that if csco had a competency rate of 45% it would stun me. Ask your unemployed, incompetent buddies how that job search is going now so you can be prepared. The rest of the complainers - well I'm not going to make any efforts to spend budget on you if you are marginal and just skating or if you talk to your manager like you are the manager now. Didn't work out too well for a lot of mo--ns on the beat or prior to the LR list going together, definitely isn't going to work out well for the remaining people that over estimate their worth.
look externally for promotions, staying at the same company is financially irresponsible
I dont know what you are but guess am engineer. A G6 G8 G10 G11 engineer should be doing much more than they do the 5 jira tickets a month. Lead a project and a big one for sakes. Then deserve a promotion. Stop asking for a promotion for doing your day job. I've been in G12 for 4 years now and I'll tell you how tough it is to be PE
“My plan going forward is to not give a flying f¥ck and do bare minimum.”
That should have been your plan all along. Only a fool would do otherwise at Cisco.
In a team of 9, only 3 received a promo... and yes, they're indians so is our manager. My plan going forward is to not give a flying f¥ck and do bare minimum.
Don’t worry more work to prove yourself will become available after February 2025. That’s if you survive the next round.
Promotion? That's only for Indian employees.
I feel disheartened when I receive only a 2.5% pay hike, with no other benefits such as promotion or RSU refreshment.
Did you sign up for the right friends and family plan? This is common to many companies which is why they don't perform well as companies.
What was unique to Cisco was every program that should have been named after the Titanic rewarded those that ran the ship into the iceberg and squashed those brought in at sea to get the ship on its way for making the original team look bad. Better upper management would have knocked out the sc--w ups rather than promote them.
Personally if you want advancement in real skills where more money and titles are the side effects go to well run smaller companies where you can take on far more responsibility. Part of being run well is management knowing how to get the best out of you.
Yeah I definitely feel you. Everyone has been promoted around me in my org, so it feels like I’m doing something obviously wrong. But when I ask my manager, it’s nothing but: you are doing great, bla, bla. I’ve wasted too much time here.
Fact: promotions first hurdle is time, yes it’s written in management bible, you have to first pay your dues. After that, next hurdle is your performance competing with your peers as number of promotions are limited and distributed among managers. Oh of course, last hurdle is how often you have been visible during challenging times (WFH doesn’t work).
That su-ks. I got my promotion.
People act like promotions should come easily. There are many many people in lower grades you are competing with for a few open promotions each year. And that's on a good year. For anything G10 and below there is a lot of employees who want a promotion and think they deserve one if they do the minimum. As you get into higher grades there is less number but getting from a G12 to PE can take almost 5 years if not more.
You need to be already doing the higher grade work before you can get promoted to that level. That’s the theory anyway. In practise it’s cheap labor.
The onus is on you. You need to ask your manager for what steps you need to take to reach it, then you pound the steps and stay in continual contact about the milestones.
They don't just hand out good-boys and good-girl promotions. You will know your on the path, if you have to guess you're not on the path.