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Agree with previous comment. When you strip away all the on campus perks, there isn't enough left here to keep people engaged and committed. Especially now that promotions to the highest levels of almost any role are all but impossible anymore.
Prior to Covid, I thought SAS was an amazing place to work. After Covid I realized that after you took away all the luxuries afforded us on campus (cafeterias, on-site healthcare, workout facilities, etc etc etc) it became a very average company (no career path, lousy raise and bonuses, disengaged managers, too many slackers, etc etc etc). Coming back to campus brings back those luxuries but exposed that the important things (career, pay, recognition) are what’s missing and no cafeteria can make up for.
“ even casual face-to-face interactions ”
Yeah, it’s these kinds of interactions among individuals or small groups that are essential. The larger meetings - well, not so much.
Announced simultaneously with a flattened management structure, RTO looks like a cost-cutting move. Amazon knows that it will cause attrition.
Not a bad move if they’re concerned that consumers may cut spending. If we get a recession, other companies will follow suit.
Worked in R&D for decades. Having a private office where one could close the door for quiet work has its advantages. However, even casual face-to-face interactions in the break room or hall could could mean a better solution to a problem or rapport built with long-term benefits to the quality of work, etc. Over the course of a long career, the hours I spent working together in someone’s office on design, joint debug sessions, programming, or other tasks certainly totaled months-to-years.
Prior to Covid at least 90% of attendees in most meetings were in the same room and typically only a few highly valued employees worked remote within the USA. India and China had/have their own management structures who met via video with Directors, etc. from Cary HQ in the wee hours. Far less common for ICs in the USA to meet via video technology across so many times zones with their international counterparts.
Like it or not in 2024, the in-office culture is what built SAS and made it successful. Not saying the hybrid model can’t work and there are certainly plenty of examples of stellar employees working remotely for all about a week or two out of the year when they visit HQ. However, WFH and extreme hybrid _can_ be its own form of “quiet quitting”.
There’s absolutely no reason to require software devs and testers to be in the office. SAS culture on every team I’ve been on has been to come in, sit in your office all day (sometimes even with the door closed), say hello in the hallway, then go home. Very little collaboration or going to someone’s office or conference room to pair program or troubleshoot. Now with half the employees remote, every meeting is virtual on Teams. It’s a colossal waste of my time to come to the office to then sit on my computer for virtual meetings and then work independently.
HR emails always make a big deal about coming into the office for “synergy” and to “celebrate wins”. There hasn’t been anything worth celebrating since I’ve been at SAS.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Amazon has 350,000 employees just on the corporate side, not including warehouses and drivers.
From a New York Times story on the amazon RTO mandate:
"Since they essentially shut down their offices in the early days of the pandemic, tech companies have been inching toward getting employees back. Right now, other big tech companies like Microsoft, Google, Meta and Apple expect employees to work in the office two or three days a week."
Amazon too
let them all soft quit. ppl about to be laid off from Cisco will gladly take those jobs.