I went from Outstanding to NSI in one year. Told a VP the truth about their pet project and they didn’t like it.
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That’s why DW decided to ship all the EMHC jobs abroad because he realized that they all are useless to the bottom line.
@4tum A large number of physical systems and/or components are modeled, to a first approximation, as a beam or a network of beams. One example is the wing of a passenger jet. Another could be tubes in a tube bundle for a heat exchanger. Last time I checked, civil engineers didn’t design jets or heat exchangers.
Another self-own by an EMHC “engineer” on this thread. That’s two in 24 hours. Thing is, you guys do this during interviews too. It would be funny if it wasn’t such a waste of everyone’s time.
Some civil structural thinks he is a gift to the engineering world. What a tool.
Can someone please list the names of these companies that employ incredible engineers and do technically challenging work? Because the Contracting companies I work with in Exxon are pretty much exactly the same degree of lightweight incompetence that I see internally.
Tell me these companies and I can get some applications out please!
@3odz Believe it or not, most engineering orgs (mine included) require people applying to senior level and higher engineering positions to have verifiable qualifying experience corresponding to those positions.
You may have been able to bluff and bluster your way up the corporate ladder at Exxon, but it doesn’t fly out here.
It seems like Exxon hands out job titles like Halloween candy, regardless of qualifications. I’ve sat across from people with 10+ years of claimed experience within your company who couldn’t distinguish a beam that was pin supported from one that was roller supported, and who then got defensive when we tried to explain why it actually mattered. This was not an isolated incident.
I’m sorry that you’re bvtt-hurt about this, but it is what it is. Try for some management roles instead.
I had an Exxon “engineer” present to me at Pioneer before I quit. Not sure how good his engineering skills were, but the man was a master at presenting a PowerPoint full of incorrect analysis he paid McKinsey to perform. His clipart was fire no cap
@3yll+1te6C3BU Where do you work? I’ll be sure to not apply there. I wouldn’t want you as a coworker and definitely wouldn’t want you as a supervisor!
Management probably recognizes that most of the engineering jobs that are not in the operating units can be eliminated with little impact to the bottom line and where needed can be substituted by contract labor from EPC.
@2qba Talk about a self-own.
You just affirmed everything that’s been said about EMHC engineers being glorified technical writers and procurement/project managers.
Not sure where the age thing came from, but since you went there…
I’ve interviewed applicants for engineer positions from EM, CPC, P66, Chevron, and plenty of others. Every candidate has had more than 10 years of experience. Almost all failed to correctly answer fundamental engineering questions related to the roles they interviewed for. That’s kind of important if you’re going to be checking the work of junior and mid-career engineers and leading critical design reviews.
Stop applying to jobs you aren’t qualified to do and I’ll stop telling you that you aren’t qualified.
Shipping EMHC jobs to low cost locations is a brilliant move by DW.
@2dbl We all get it. We are not all in the types engineer roles you expect. So sorry to disappoint you with our worthlessness. Instead of making your point by hijacking each and every thread, why not start your own thread so we can all ignore you in one convenient place.
All the people posting how EM engineers aren’t real engineers need to get over themselves. Likely young people who do t understand career progression and value chain. EM engineers are project managers in most cases. The actual pencil pushing is done by people we hire. We expect EM employees to oversee the work to maintain cost, schedule and quality. Most people don’t want to do calculations for 40 years. If you do then that is just another reason for you to quit and work somewhere else.
@2yig Can you name a complex engineered system designed, built, tested, and brought to mass market by anyone in EMHC during the past decade? Because I can’t, and neither can anyone else.
I don’t think people would be bringing it up at all if EMHC engineers weren’t constantly walking around with their chests puffed out and up on their little soapboxes ranting about how cutting edge and indispensable they think they are. They’re not. If they were doing real engineering work, their jobs wouldn’t be going to India and Malaysia along with everyone else’s.
Enough of this trash talk about Exxon engineers already! To the one guy incessantly posting on this regardless of the thread topic: we’ve all heard your tired message based on your individual experience in your remote corner of projects. Stop being so bitter about the rest of us who pass through your world briefly and then move on to challenging work not directly related to your thing. We’re all doing fine. Not sure why you have this weird need for hegemony over everyone who doesn’t do whatever it is you think engineers should be doing, but that’s a you thing. The rest of us have our own work to focus on.
@2wgc The “engineers at EM don’t engineer anything” comments are mostly directed towards the glorified technical writers sitting at EMHC who are constantly pontificating about how they’re god’s gift to the applied sciences. They’re not. Take it from someone who interviews them regularly.
Out at the plants it’s a little different, but not much. A lot of the work is done by third party contractors, and the best most site engineers can do when they have a problem with a machine they purchased is call the manufacturer. Seems like the plants lost a lot of their troubleshooting expertise.
I keep hearing all this cr-p talk about our engineers. At our site the engineers are what keeps cr-p from shutting down and helping an already barely competent maintenance staff figure out what’s wrong and minimizing outages. I can’t wait to see Btc try and handle that. I just hope no one gets hurt but production will be the first thing that goes out the window.
Again an Exxon Mobil incompetent manager with a hard on for engineering because she couldn’t do her job so they put her in charge of engineering so that she couldn’t sc--w anything up. Her response “hold my beer’
“I’ve stayed in my role long past the time I should have moved on, and I sounded off with some of my BS opinions to my boss’s boss. Now I’m in shock because my ranking tanked and it’s everybody’s fault but mine.”
There you go OP, FIFY.
As per Business Ethics, we are instructed to always tell the truth but as per EM Customs, we must protect executives from the truth if we value our careers.
Most are afraid to tell the truth. When you hear somebody say "don't get too attached to your local geological data" (instead of using regional geological trends), you know that good technical work is being squashed because some are afraid to tell their managers the truth.
EM Executives have been sheltered from the trust their entire careers so when faced with a unwanted fact, their response is to shoot the messenger.
I agree with @1cjg+1te6C3BU.
Just play the game and go with the flow.
Would have to agree with others, you’re not very smart. At EM your input is not appreciated, if I wanted your comment I would ask
Which is why this place is so sc--wed
Well, the original topic was the danger of speaking your mind.
Thought crime, even, is worse than incompetence.
So sometimes Competence is a crime.
By no means, comment on a manager's chili-making skills at a pot-luck lunch/meeting. My hypo ranking dropped to Zero.
I truly miss the days when technical integrity meant something and having the courage of conviction to tell truth to power was appreciated, and not seen as a personal affront.
Most jobs at EMHC should be shipped to low cost locations. No need for such expensive workforce.
- If you’re upset about outsourcing and/or have problems working with people from India (I don’t), then I promise that you’ll be miserable at Bechtel.
- This has been covered elsewhere, but repeated here for emphasis: Exxon’s engineers don’t engineer anything. If I sat you down in front of a computer and told you import a CAD model into ANSYS, run an equivalent static load analysis on a bolt, and report on the stress distribution, you wouldn’t be able to do it. Neither would anyone you work with.
Following arcane corporate administrative processes and updating equipment purchase specifications for third party vendors isn’t engineering, no matter what Exxon tells you.
Exxon is transitioning into becoming an Asset Manager, technical knowledge and engineering is not required. That’s what Bechtel is for.
I went from Outstanding to Good last year. Mid-40s CL28 but my sin was transferring from upstream expat in horrible location to global projects in US. My early 30s first time supervisor told me my ranking was because no one knew me and she didn’t know how to represent me. At least she was honest in her incompetence.
The goal is to downsize to commodity level talent in a controlled manner. Make no mistake that DW and his minions are the ones in control. They will say anything to convince people to join this slow death walk of downsizing/off shoring. They want as many +50 people out the door as quick as possible. And if too many jump ship too quick, they throw money, CL bump, and RSU to get a few greedy su-kers to hang on.
What amazes me is that a cohort of relatively smart people bury their heads in the sand and ride it out. I’d be jumping ship and moving on to a better career journey. By 2030, the company will be a shell of a few specialists playing overlord to commodity talent in India and other future low cost locations. Do you really feel that you will out live 95% of your peers and survive the hunger games?
Happening every cycle in Annandale 😢 Management lies
There is no loyalty left. No amount of surveys or rewards can save the place. It will fail and any remaining talent will be gone soon.
You done f up. Time to leave
What VP, what truth. Otherwise GTFO, put up or shut up
Telling the truth is not a criteria for career advancement at ExxonMobil.
What a truly sc--wed up system.
Without doubt the next boeing
Plenty of us went Outstanding to NI in 1 year, you just need to get to 50 and that's what happens now.
Welcome to the club!
Congrats !