All EV’s are a potential fire hazard. My new home owners insurance asked if I parked an EV in the garage or owned E bikes, scooters, golf carts, etc.
Wonder why when one can do this👇
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-holds-emergency-meeting-044530455.html
"Surging electricity costs pose another financial threat to American households"
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/surging-electricity-costs-pose-another-financial-threat-american-households
Hmmm, the EV upstream experiment keeps looking worse. Building hundreds if not thousands of new power plants to charge millions of EVs has a hefty cost. But wait, that's not all. Something has to make the turbines go 'round and 'round too. That cost as well as the new energy infrastructure including eco friendly mines to provide the coal/uranium and pipelines for gas etc., gets peanut buttered across the rate payers. At the end of the day nobody knows what a kW will cost in a few years. Even the transformers at substations were not designed for the increased duty cycles they would see if massive adoption were to take place. Fatigue failure of transformers would be everywhere with current designs. LOL, on paper this looks like lots of building so great for lenders. On the back side is the bill, which makes the whole thing pretty sketchy.
That's just it. They're all 'dangerous'. Gasoline, hydrogen, Lithium-Ion batteries. The vehicles can be built to minimize the potential danger to the occupants and those in the immediate area. I am old enough to remember when the Corvair and the Pinto and the problems that they had. While they can't be erased they can be mitigated as much as possible. I wholeheartedly believe those issues should be engineered out of the product BEFORE it is mass produced. But that really isn't my issue with EVs...
I think people should focus on the OTHER topic we are all talking about here - EVs are NOT better for the environment. In addition to the carbon footprint for each battery pack, take a gander on the web about the working conditions - and the workforce - that is mining most of this rare earth metal. There are way more 'children' than most Americans would expect. And all of them, regardless of age, are worked from dawn till dusk for peanuts. We would call that a human rights violation here.
At the end of the day, gasoline (oil) is a finite resource. I get that. We'll need to come up with an alternative. But I don't think we should be shoe-horning EVs on the world. ICE is far more fuel efficient now than ever before. I may complain about the start-stop feature, but I would gladly take that if I could keep buying gas-powered vehicles.
When natural gas vehicles were going to save the planet, some businesses would only let them park on the roof of parking structures, in case of leaks. This is still the case in Canada.
Environmentalist's should know lithium mining requires 500,000 gallons of water to process 1 metric tonne of lithium. A lot of diesel fuel to dig out 1% pure ore, and a huge hole in the ground when you're done with that part of the adventure. (Are we going to forget about mine reclamation and water purification to make things more affordable?) So just for the sake of sharing the environmental impact amongst us green pals... A single Tesla Model Y has a 1700 lb battery pack. It will last maybe 5 years before it is so riddled with cell failures it needs to be replaced. It took 385,000 gallons of water to process that ore and required 170,000 lbs - 85 tons of rock to be blasted, dug out, crushed, refined and brought to the magical battery plant to make that 1 battery pack. The greenest idea of all then happens; you simply use an alternate energy other than petroleum to charge up and get around. Energy, my green friends, comes from coal, oil, gas or nuke materials with a tiny amount useable from hydro. So I see lots of selling and profits in this "green-back" supply chain but I see no energy replacement for any finite feedstocks of fuel we know about on this planet. Do you?
@1zbj+1tYaVM5N. We have all had plenty of sit downs with DF and his team. We have all been subject to his objectives. We have wasted countless engineering hours feeding his ego with no value added. His input has resulted in one failure after another. It is frustrating to anyone who has ever delivered a quality program.
@1zbj+1tYaVM5N I could sit down with DF and his team to explain them what a piece of cr@p is an BEV, its damage to the planet, and the inflated ego that causes in some people.
My takeaway from this discussion is some of you need a sit down with DF or his team to get the facts about BEV and the future of Ford and mobility.
xgi+1tYaVM5N
Ask a firefighter about putting out EV fires vs ICE and many ICE fires are battery or electrical system related. EVs have even taken out freighters. EVs get totaled for small fender benders due to risk of battery damage and potential fires.
“ and hate you for the cr-p you did to our planet loving your fossil fuels.“
Where do you think electricity for evs comes from? Natural gas burned in a turbine at a lower thermal efficiency than your typical car. Look up Brayton vs Otto cycle - thermodynamics don’t lie.
Solar is next to useless for months October to April in Michigan and most of the north. Solar without batteries are even more useless and we know batteries start out with a much larger energy footprint.
So if you look at Experian you will find that 3.3 million EV's are on the road in the US. 283 million ICE vehicles. NTSB says 4125 EVs catch on fire per year. 174 thousand ICE vehicles do the same. So, 4125 / 3300000 is 0.00125 a pretty small percentage. 174,000/283000000 is 0.0006 an even smaller chance. Interestingly, 0.00125 / 0.0006 is a tad over 2, so by volume, the test of time if you will, your chance of a thermal event is twice as likely with the EV, although both probabilities are small. The Australia post below really makes you think though. If you did have a fender bender, do any of us have a way place to park that EV 100 feet away from anything else flammable until a tech checks it out?
The climate activists on here are cracking me up. Whether or not a few million people in America drive electric cars makes no difference as long as there are billions of people in India and Africa burning wood and animal dung for cooking and heating.
@kem+1tYaVM5N. More likely they will hate you for the degradation in lifestyle that you su-kered them into with no meaningful impact on climate in return.
They are considering disclosing battery brands used in EVs. This would be "othering" or "naming and shaming". Not very woke or inclusive.
Yes, and 12,000 years ago all of the yak owners were telling people that those new fangled horses were going to blow up their caves. Neanderthals!!
Funny how 120 years ago, it was horse owners that put shade on the dangers of gasoline and cars catching on fire. Your kids will all drive electric cars and hate you for the cr-p you did to our planet loving your fossil fuels.
Inhalation of hydrogen fluoride, nickle and cobalt found in the lithium ion battery pack smoke can cause a whole range of bad things to happen. So if you are inside a room or an elevator when one of these skate boards or bikes goes into thermal run away do what ever you can to get away as fast as possible! Dermal absorption is also a thing so be careful around these toys. Fires per population type suggest EV's are not really the rare event. Statistically if you take into account events per type and the deployed population a type, a very different picture emerges.
This is the EV situation in Australia:
If you are involved in an accident or traffic incident involving an EV you should:
Act swiftly and ensure the park brake is engaged, the vehicle is switched off and all passengers are out of the vehicle
Keep clear of the vehicle (uphill and upwind) and warn passers-by to keep at a safe distance (at least 30 metres), even if there is no visible signs of smoke, vapours, or flames
Call Triple Zero (000) and tell the operator that the vehicle involved is an EV. Clearly detail the make and model of the vehicle, which will allow responders to access additional emergency information specific to the vehicle.
Ensure that EV remote ignition keys are at least 30 meters away from vehicle as these can inadvertently start the vehicle.
If anyone has been exposed to spilled battery fluid, flying debris, smoke or vapours, or flames, seek urgent medical assistance. Burns should be immediately treated with cool running water for 20 minutes.
An electric vehicle that has been involved in a collision or fire, or has been submerged in water, must be treated with caution as the high voltage battery pack may be compromised. Damaged EV batteries may ignite hours, days, or even weeks after the initial incident.
Do not charge or use the vehicle after the incident unless it has been inspected and approved for use by a qualified technician.
Damaged EVs should be kept in an open area at least 30 metres from other vehicles, buildings, and/or other exposures.
This is just what I need in my life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNCii-OTqw
Yep, happens all the time. The bigger the battery the nastier the blaze and the more toxic the vapors are. In a confined space these are pretty hard to put out and if you breath in this stuff (even if you are wearing an facemask ;) ) it wont be good for your future.
There is nothing wrong with EV battery technology. Ford should have the testicular fortitude to go all EV and completely eliminate ICE vehicles. Do it now before its too late!
Google: "Man burnt when E bike battery explodes on elevator".
EV batteries are as safe as the vax .......
In China people are changing BYD= Burn Your Dreams
I recently came back from a business trip to Sweden. Apartment buildings are putting up secure little huts away from building structures just for e-bikes. Most leases now stipulate that tenants cannot keep their e-anything inside a building. These contracts have evolved as a result of dozens of fires that were caused by overheating battery packs during re-charge or just simply while stored on a balcony.