Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

Not worth the money…

The on-boarding process for expats is highly disjointed. It starts with an interview or virtual meeting with several managers who use grand language but often make little sense. Following this, there is typically a long period of silence lasting weeks or even months. When contact is finally re-established, the recruiting team will request transcripts, diplomas, and a substantial amount of paperwork. After submission, there will be another prolonged silence. If selected, you might receive a lowball offer. Communication with the hiring department is cut off, as they claim to be too busy. You will then be sent to an Aramco-funded medical office for “extensive” health checks, which will be repeated upon your arrival in Saudi Arabia. Can’t have you bringing in any se-----y transmitted diseases. Because a lot of the local men at HQ will solicit women.

You will be flown out in economy class. Upon arrival, a disoriented individual may greet you at the airport and transport you to the compound. Your accommodation might have working air conditioning, though it will likely break down regularly. Basic food items like bread and milk may be provided, but essential appliances such as a fridge, stove, plates, cutlery, and cups might be missing or non-functional. Repeated calls for assistance often go unanswered, and you may have to purchase these items yourself. The furniture is old and moldy, the carpet is dusty, and there is no washing machine or dryer. The curtains are transparent, the bathroom moldy, and the toilet frequently malfunctions.

The compound has different types of housing, with the relatively new Jebel Heights houses being the most desirable. The Jebel apartments are semi-acceptable but have issues with air circulation and mold. Older homes on the main camp are mostly allocated to white Westerners, with many Americans from the LDS church residing near the Sixth Street gym. Homes on Mango are often given to single women and have seen multiple ceiling collapses in recent months. Overall, the housing does not meet global health and safety standards.

Every day, you will see workers dressed in blue trimming trees or cutting grass, often in dangerous heat without adequate water. These workers, mostly from Bangladesh, appear dispirited. In the office, they also serve as janitorial staff.

The challenging living conditions might be bearable if the work experience were better. However, you may be moved into different roles than what you were hired for, which could be grounds for an HR lawsuit elsewhere. Expect to be placed in a small workspace and assigned meaningless tasks. In most cases, your managers, directors, and VPs will be inexperienced Saudis focused on internal politics rather than delivering quality work. They often issue rude requests with unrealistic timelines. If you can put together something to make them look relatively good you will be liked until they forget and move on.

Meetings are frequent and often involve inaccurate quarterly reviews. The locals are almost never on time to meetings. They will answer their phone multiple times in the middle of presentations and discussions. While English is the working language expect them to switch over to Arabic when they want to remove you from the discussion. In loss prevention, you may encounter underreporting of accidents and casualties, as the company is not required to report certain deaths to the government. Lower management often misreports leaks or accidents to avoid disclosure. If people die in accidents off camp they will find ways not to report it.

Expats be warned. Do not go to Aramco if you are looking to grow in your career. There are few who stick it out and eat sh-t for years only to be made a supervisor. You will see most ambitious people leave. What is left is usually white American middle aged men because they want to retire in place to get their exit amount and their health insurance. Not worth it whatsoever.

Saudi as a country has come a long way to becoming a modern country but until Aramco shakes the tribal politics and brings in experienced people to report up to executives continue to expect being treated like 3rd world help.

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Post ID: @OP+1tDgPSIo

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If you imagine the world to be a sad and dangerous place then that’s what it will become.

The OP, like a lot of the people replying putt there special twist of disrespect, exaggeration and BS on it.

I had 4 mainly happy years in Dhahran. Yes it’s a dysfunctional work place, but like one of the more useful comments, it’s about finding releases and escapes through friends and visits to Bahrain. Don’t forget the big pay check and relatively easy work, even if my ego took a bashing.

Talking of ego and being real to yourselves, why don’t most of you naysayers just leave? I’d feel a fraud staying in a place where I don’t respect the work ethic or the local cultures.

I left Aramco for a better option in the GCC, but the entitled, disrespectful and sometimes racists comments about this company and the local culture very offensive.

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Post ID: @bffo+1tDgPSIo

@4zma+1tDgPSIo

Here we go again, so inane and predictable. When will management ever accept that to IMPROVE the first step is acceptance.

It’s a miracle these people ever came out of their caves.

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Post ID: @7nsc+1tDgPSIo

@4zma+1tDgPSIo
I taw, I taw a putty thobe...I did, I did taw a putty thobe!

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Post ID: @6uxt+1tDgPSIo

@4zma+1tDgPSIo

You're a comedian.

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Post ID: @4oce+1tDgPSIo

Aramco isn’t an IOC. It’s an NOC, an arm of the government. Management are jumped up pen pushers mostly fighting each other for the next promotion. They genuinely think that selling at a 20% discount to the Chinese is a good deal. They have zero commercial acumen and are too proud/inept to learn. These guys couldn’t run a tap.

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Post ID: @4bao+1tDgPSIo

@4zma+1tDgPSIo Hahahahahahaha a thobe has entered the chat. Hire any professional talent rep to audit your on-boarding process and they will tell you how “good” it is.

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Post ID: @4okp+1tDgPSIo

A very accurate3 description of the process from applying for a position, to living the reality of an Aramcon. Except for the lower compensation, nothing has changed in the Magic Kingdom, and probably never will. I hope this post helps those that are thinkibg about moving halfway around the world only to realise that they made a serious mistake.

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Post ID: @3ahp+1tDgPSIo

My experiences outside of work were great. Made some good friends and did a lot on camp and off. Sure, there numerous frustrating moments but we just blew off the steam with a weekly darts and drinks night. We compared our trials and tribulations and the idiocy of it all...lots of laughs to be sure. Others just continually played golf and hung out at the clubhouse. Then there were the occasional Bahrain excursions. Time just kind of passed and low and behold you wake up one day and you're retired.

The work side wasn't so great but wasn't so bad either.

One thing is for sure...nothing stays the same.

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Post ID: @2mzk+1tDgPSIo

The onboarding process from first interview to flying out was eighteen months. On my third day I was essentially they wanted the opposite of what they'd been asking of me while waiting all that time. Imagine how I felt having to wait all that time.

Housing was joke with non washing machine or dryer. Yes, the walls and ceiling fell in too and was over run with flies and bugs.

I knew this was never a job for life so I lived very frugally and coined what I could before passing through those gates for the very last time.

An experience of all experiences.

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Post ID: @2hqa+1tDgPSIo

@1irx+1tDgPSIo

The benefits on the global payroll post 2017 are so much worse. The pension is gone. There is no real reason to remain in Dhahran long term (except the desperate and unemployable).

By way of direct comparison, GC14 also, and top of pay scale. Total comp is $265k. My pay increments have been less than 1 % each year thus far…so real terms pay cuts each year. That’s not what they put in writing to me before I joined - what a bunch of crooks!

If I leave after 6 years my RIP is $60K, before 2 it’s zero. If they choose to let me go after 6 it’s also $60k. If I slog this out for 10 years it goes up to just $190K…

So for me personally, beyond another year, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. I took a minor pay cut to come here as the net is 30% higher owing to tax differences.

However, the lack of a pension means 20% has to be saved and the tax differences are negligible given the tiny bonus and stagnation in base pay.

The real earnings side for me is that my property back home is rented and my living costs here are low. But that’s nothing to do with Aramco!

The kicker though is the culture, working around low grade individuals who almost universally behave like primates. Eventually anyone with a career, self esteem or worth, will just say “enough”.

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Post ID: @2opc+1tDgPSIo

There wasn’t even any freakin curtains or blinds in the shitbox they assigned me in the hills. After repeated attempts they put up paper blinds in a couple of rooms and said they didn’t have any for the other rooms. The blinds broke after a few days. I hung sheets.
Meanwhile my manager got pi---d that I had to keep leaving the office to attend to the BS.

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Post ID: @2krx+1tDgPSIo

What money? LOL. When I joined Aramco in 2014, as a GC 14, my all-in comp was a bit over $200 k not including tax equalization (US Payroll). Stayed six years and left at about the same comp (whatever raise I got for "E"s). I also got a RIP which turned out to be worth another $400k. Anybody who joined recently getting anything even remotely that good 10 years later?

Face it. Management might need you but they don't want you. And they are hoping that they don't need you much longer. Joining is a stupid move for any Westerner who isn't completely desperate. Even if I was desperate, I'd be applying EVERYWHERE in the Middle East, not just Aramco. The company is a dead horse, but Aramco Expats is full of people still trying to ride it.

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Post ID: @1irx+1tDgPSIo

Wow! What can I say about this post? The poster is not entirely wrong and is largely correct in his commentary. Powerful.

The bus loads of workers brought in to do hard labor in the colored coveralls, reminds me of a chain gang that you might see in a movie as existed in the deep south circa early 1900's.

If you are going to KSA to make a difference and advance your career, not likely. If you are going for other reasons, it might be a nice change of pace.

On the other hand, some people enjoy their time there. Some good some bad experiences. Is it a zero-sum endeavor or less? IMO that depends on the individual.

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Post ID: @1btt+1tDgPSIo

When I joined I was expected to pay 400 bucks out of my own pocket for a sprinkler system that the company hadn’t bothered to install in my ramshackle house in the Hills. I told them to FO, it’s not my house why should I pay?

Eventually some goon from housing complained that my grass was dead and said it would go on my file as a violation. Nice company I thought. What kind of a place is this?

So I bought a cheap cr-ppy thing from Saco and left it in the middle of the dusty garden patch. Stupid rules get stupid solutions, problem solved.

Aramco is a temp role at best, a short term assignment working for a terrible company surrounded by the most awful kind of people. See it through that lens and things are a lot more bearable.

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Post ID: @1dae+1tDgPSIo

All expats regardless of nationality, color, race, origin are the hired help. Nothing else. The advantage of them switching to Arabic during meetings is that you can legitimately claim no knowledge of their skullduggery even though you attended the meeting. You wrote a very fair review of the current Aramco. The trade off between greed and personal well-being is a difficult balancing act and we all have different tipping points.

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