Thread regarding Alteryx layoffs

Re: Layoffs + trying to answer common questions

Seeing a lot of questions on hear regarding the potential layoffs and wanted to try answering a few of them. (Also, I'm not a lawyer and nothing in this post is legal advice.)

• How can Alteryx lay off 30-50% without a WARN notice?

WARN only applies to people who report to a single location. The law's fuzzy on remote workers who fully work from home. Some cases have said an employee's location is where they work (home) and not where they receive work. Others have said it's the nearest location or the corporate office.

Clearlake and Insight could arrange layoffs in such a way that they don't lay off 50 employees from one location and skirt around the law. They could also blatantly violate the law and not worry too much about it. The Department of Labor has no enforcement authority under WARN and does not investigate complaints or bring suits to enforce WARN. If Alteryx lets you go, you'd have to bring a civil suit proving Alteryx violated WARN. That's hard now that Alteryx is now under PE ownership and not a public company.

So, there's not much stopping Clearlake and Insight from letting hundreds of people go and not batting an eye.

• Why would Alteryx let 30-50% of their staff go? That's ridiculous!

It's not, really. The last quarterly earnings report before Alteryx went private showed us losing $179 million in 2023. We made $970 million in revenue and paid $1 billion in staff costs. There's no way Clearlake and Insight are just going to eat that money while waiting to turn Alteryx around.

All the talk about "cash injections" or "cash infusions" were just PE terms for leveraged buyouts or debt. They need to balance the books as fast. Even if they're not reporting to the public anymore, they are reporting to their private shareholders or investors. The quickest way to get back into the black and make money is to cut staff.

Even if you assume Alteryx loses about 7-10% of revenue in 2024, or about $900 million, to be profitable, Clearlake and Insight need to get operating costs down to about $850 million. If you assume the average employee costs Alteryx $140,000 in salary, that gives you about 1,000 to 1,100 employees to remove nearly $150 million from the operating costs. That puts the high end of the layoffs close to 50% of the company.

• Why would Alteryx string everyone along until after Inspire only to let them go?

The same reason people try to inflate the value of their homes before taking out a loan. You think Clearlake and Insight really wanted to honor equity? Not at all. They used it to keep people at Alteryx because it looks nice when you go asking people for a loan.

Again, "cash infusion" is just PE lingo for debt. The more people at their company, the higher the operating costs, the higher the loan they can ask for. Now that they have the money, they can get rid of people and use the earnings and debt to pay themselves and their investors.

Why do you think every executive leader has been feeding us the same lines about being excited about the opportunities we have? They all hung on to stop as many people as they could from jumping ship, then took their golden parachutes and departed before everyone was let go.

• All of this talk is just fear mongering. Where's your source?

You're on an anonymous board. What do you expect people to do, give you their name, title, department, and links to official documents?

This question is hard to answer with any good information, but the people on this site have a good track record of being right. More people confirmed layoffs in Q2 and Q3 of 2023 than said they weren't happening. More people also confirmed no layoffs in Q4 and Q1 of 2023 and 2024 than said they were happening. I'd go with the posts saying layoffs are coming here soon, but could be wrong.

There's also the stages of a PE buyout to consider.

Company reaches final stages of acquisition
Current leadership says nobody will be cut
Company is acquired
Leadership is slowly let go/replaced
First round of layoffs occur <<<<<< [YOU ARE HERE]
PE says layoffs were about reorganizing for a new direction
New leadership is brought in, a.k.a. the yes people
If company increases profitability, then PE might go public again
More likely, though, PE continues layoffs to ensure their and investors and them make money
PE sells company to highest bidder

What can we do?

This isn't legal advice, but here's what I would try to do. If/when the layoffs happen, I would reach out to as many people as possible to figure out who was also let go and if Clearlake and Insight violated WARN. I would put a list together. If the PE did violate it, I would reach out to an unemployment lawyer and encourage others to do the same. Each person can recover up to $500 per day for themselves from what I can tell.

I would also download any materials I need for a portfolio and get my resume ready. I would also start making an emergency budget and determining what I would need to do to file for unemployment and other benefits. Stuff takes time and it's better to be prepared.

Then I would breathe because I've been here before. The market's tough, but it's not impossible.

I hope this post helps.

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Layoffs aren't happening. Chill

Milk will age better than this post between now and next week.

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Post ID: @agrp+1swFzYCS

Layoffs aren't happening. Chill

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Post ID: @anha+1swFzYCS

Wednesday is when the hammer drops. I urge everyone to spend the weekend applying for new jobs. No one is safe. Doesn't matter if you're on a mission critical team. They're going to outsource and offshore most jobs, including PE and DevOps. If you think you can't be replaced, you're fooling yourself. Plan is to keep on a few people to train the contractors and consultants. Then by August they'll be let go. I know I wouldn't want to take on the work load of multiple teams to train my replacement. Jump ship, find a new job, don't get caught off guard next week.

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Post ID: @9jih+1swFzYCS

Tomorrow tomorrow it’s only a day away?

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Post ID: @6uze+1swFzYCS

“This is a troll post. I dont believe that layoffs are going to happen despite the fear mongering“

Meeha is that you?!?!

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Post ID: @6lim+1swFzYCS

thank you for your insight, patient explanation and kind words

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Post ID: @2kkl+1swFzYCS

Paula doing the right thing? Lolz

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Post ID: @1nph+1swFzYCS
I actually have 100% faith and confidence that Paula and suresh will do right by employees (unlike Mark and Doniel). After all, they are the ones who convinced so many of us to come here.

Your faith is flawed. Seek new religion.

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Post ID: @1foh+1swFzYCS

"This is a troll post. I dont believe that layoffs are going to happen despite the fear mongering

I actually have 100% faith and confidence that Paula and suresh will do right by employees (unlike Mark and Doniel). After all, they are the ones who convinced so many of us to come here."

Even if Paula and Suresh want to do right by employees, they're not the ones in charge. Have all the faith in them you want, but at least be smart enough to know who actually has the power.

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Post ID: @1fia+1swFzYCS

Paula and Suresh do not have your back, I know for a fact it’s 40 plus percent being let go from a very viable source. I assumed they would give adequate severance but I’m sure very savvy lawyers in place to mitigate this.

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Post ID: @1apw+1swFzYCS

This is a troll post. I dont believe that layoffs are going to happen despite the fear mongering

I actually have 100% faith and confidence that Paula and suresh will do right by employees (unlike Mark and Doniel). After all, they are the ones who convinced so many of us to come here.

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Post ID: @1qtn+1swFzYCS

Thank you for providing such a thoughtful note. This was such a refreshing read and I appreciate the supportive words at the very end. Good luck everyone. These things are so hard, but I know we’ll come out in the other side ok.

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Post ID: @ujg+1swFzYCS

Thank you for the clear and concise and informative posts, alter.us and morgpie.

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Post ID: @mmb+1swFzYCS

This is the most comprehensive explanation yet and I appreciate the poster who decided to help educate the angry masses. This PE motion is TEXTBOOK and well documented. PE needs to service their $4.5B debt, period. Because the top line is completely variable, the easiest path to doing so is to manage the bottom line which is the predictable element. And the #1 cost item in the balance sheet is PEOPLE and their associated salaries/benefits. Anyone sitting around waiting for this stuff to happen to them is not thinking clearly. There will be a list of organizational restructuring and performance-based cuts which IMHO the latter should include just about EVERYONE since no org has truly made their ridiculous quota in years. There will also be the "friends of" list of protected individuals hand-picked to endure at least round 1. And rest assured there will be subsequent rounds of layoffs unless by some miracle AYX solves the cloud dilemma and get back to top line growth in a big way which is unlikely (see TEXTBOOK comment above).

Get ready and get educated folks...please, for you and your families sake.

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Post ID: @kqo+1swFzYCS

Chiming in. I'm not a lawyer either, so take this with a grain of salt. I don’t believe WARN notices are particularly useful in predicting impending layoffs. When severance is offered, the notification date usually doesn't coincide with the termination date - you might still be on the payroll for some time because they're essentially paying you to not come to work until your termination date. That's why companies are allowed to issue WARN notices at the same time they announce layoffs to their employees, and many of them do just that.

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