Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

Midland is full of them

Every time you encounter a new Indian at work, ask them how hard it was to obtain the student visa.

These are not professionals coming here to contribute expertise, they are here to learn (and take the notes in meetings and other clerical duties).

The fact that visa fraud is happening in many industries doesn’t make any less unethical when it happens in our industry.

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They are here legally (fortunately or not).

I come from Tech industry. What you are seeing is unique to you, but is very common in Tech. In fact, in Tech 2 in 3 are Indians. Of the 2, 1 is from Indian hired in India, 1 is Indian hired in US. The third is either American or Chinese.

It’s new to Exxon workforce, but this is old news to US Tech industry. Everyone in Tech is totally fine with it. Guess because Tech industry is more left leaning than the red state of Exxon.

Somebody tell us how many Indians have been impatted.
Seems several hundred, possibly over a thousand.

Agree with comment below that if EM brought them to the USA on worker visas instead of student visas, there could be a case for fraud.

When you enjoy the hegemony of the almighty dollar, you will also suffer the consequences from it where goods and services will be shipped to cheaper locations when possible . You can’t just enjoy the benefits of the fiat currency. You want to have the cake and eat it too and that’s not possible. It’s simple economics.

Anytime I’m asked to train or engage someone from KLTC or BTC, I slow walk it. And if the p$ss me off I feed them disinformation.

Stop buying cheap foreign made goods at stores - that is immoral too.

Everybody who is being told to train these replacements just needs to slow down the knowledge transfer. You’re being told to do something that is immoral and directly harming your own family, so stop being so diligent about getting this aspect of your job done.

Instead of being a cry baby and wasting time, prepare for your job to be shipped so that when the time comes you can land another gig.

The HC10 individual sent to a foreign country is expected to be a leader that contributes greatly.

These BTC impacts are sent over to foreign countries to take notes in meetings and book departmental meetings on our calendars and do not exhibit any leadership skills or contribute with technical knowledge.

These BTC impacts are so low quality that there is no way EM can justify a professional visa and must surely be bringing them in on student visas.

Must be the left over garlic bread from your last night’s visit to the Italian restaurant?

Every single one of these is being brought in under false claims made by HR on their visa applications. There are laws to protect American workers. Wake up and use them.

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It’s all bad with everyone getting squeezed by big government and big corporations.

Low cost goods produced off shore which is not just low cost labor but low cost regulations including environmental and worker conditions

Illegals providing displacing good paying jobs with low cost labor domestically

And now higher paying jobs made portable partly supported by your tax dollars to educate these folks in the USA supported by both government and business communities

When someone comes to the US as a tourist or a student or a guest worker, it’s appalling to find how much of the manufacturing is “gone” to low cost countries but local people have no issues with it. Many stores have extremely high percentage of things made at low cost locations and import them and the patriotic people verily buy them. It never bothered their conscience that the high paying manufacturing jobs were taken away and were replaced by the ones that made them flipping burgers at fast food restaurants. 70% of the GDP is “consumer spending”, aka buying cheap goods manufactured at low cost locations. A lot of employment is hourly wages at business houses. When none of this affects your conscience, why should shipping of jobs to BYC affect you? Because now your own job is in peril?

I think we can see where this probably ends. We're just going to end up with a bunch of Western European and American "hi-pos" supervising a ton of south asians like some sort of f***ed up modern day plantation. They'll promote a couple TC people into token management positions just to have some examples to point out to the masses, but in reality the vast majority of tech center people will always be viewed as cheap, second class citizens. If you're at the BTC, that's your future here - just a slightly more polite extension of colonialism. Maybe that's good enough for you, but might as well know what you're signing up for.

Even the worst Indiam universiry educated BTC impat is better than any of the traditional EM employees, whose only talent is acting like goons and thugs and dominating everyone else with their mediocrity. Just look around yourselfX dear poster, EM employees are among the worst in the country. No smart American would ever work for a company like EM, also notice how they look and dress.

India is a much more advanced society than you are made to believe by your fake media. You can love in your bubble and keep whining, the world is actually run by the hard work and talent of Asian countries, and it was always the case. Most Americans are just salesman and talk pretty, there is no substance. If not for neoptism and favoritism, and only meritocracy, most of the company executives would be Asian. And Asia includes India, something Americans are not taught in school maybe.

BTC does not have the best Indian employees, but they are far better than the Us employees regardless. So stop being mean and come out of your cycle of self hate, it’s okay for fellow humans from another country to do well if they deserve to. Atleast they are doing it respectfully and not snatching or invading unlawfully.

@rnc+1sNmZDGJ re-read what you wrote and you will understand the problem with mindset on this site.

Surely these HC10 folks are going for charity, to develop these third world countries.

Hc10 Expats are not sent to other countries to develop skills. The are sent to align and develop the locals to run the business locally. A strong expat understands this and does their job with this goal in mind. When the locals can run the business locally, the expat moves on.

The btc people are sent around because they don't cost much. Not sure how exxon gets work visas approved.

As long as we don’t complain about the cheap goods that fill the stores but are happily buying them, though they were made at low cost locations leading to the loss of local manufacturing jobs, but only will whine about BTC, we will remain hypocritical.

@xwx+1sNmZDGJ Unlike expats from HC10, personnel from BTC and KLTC are not here to develop skills and take back to their home site. We don’t even have any assets that I’m aware of in India and very little if any in Malaysia anymore.

BTC and KLTC personnel are nothing more than low cost rotating employees that permanently fill position. The company skirts the laws by limiting how long they are in the county under the guise of development and training.

But make no doubt about it, this about displacing workers with low cost labor (and frankly low skills.).

Maybe the company can hide behind OIMS if something goes bad someday. But I’d not want to be the one trying to answer those questions and explains how we’ve brought in workers from India/Malaysia to fill these roles.

KLTC as well… just saying …

Only one trick ponies around here are aZZ clowns that are arrogant in management because that does t require critical thinking skills and they can hide behind the very people they pip. Arguring with a manager is like wresting a pig in mud. Management loves it

@xwx+1sNmZDGJ Your point would be sound if the recent and accelerated ramp up in folks from India was for performance opportunities. However, the company is very clear that there is only one criterion for their selection - cost. That is the bad flavor existing employees have in their mouths.

Don't understand the hypocrisy..we are okay with Europeans, Canadians on campus but not Malaysians or Indians? Similarly we have various operational sites in Africa e.g. Nigeria full of Americans vs local talent but we don't complaint.

The many experts we talk about are one trick ponies who have cornered one technology but don't know anything else. Many of them are from tier 3 schools in US. Top US talent doesn't really come to EM these days.

The world is changing. It's competitive.

Does deodorant come included?

Many of the refineries I visit feel more like Mumbai than the actual country they're physically in now. Company is blatently choosing low cost Indians at site over home country staff. This is only going in 1 direction.

At least several hundred.

Someone in HR should be able to chime in with an accurate number.

I see a lot of BTC doing technical work in USA.

Are there any BTC in USA in Executive capacity?