Thread regarding L3Harris Technologies layoffs

Aerojet Rocketdyne is dead

Aerojet Rocketydne is dead, they just don’t know it yet. Worked there for over 30+ years and just let go thursday, 4/11/24, after dedicating my life to the place (trying to be somewhat anonymous so I don't get sued). To all the L3Harris employees, I’m sorry that Kubasic way overpaid for AR and now is bending over taking it up the a-s to keep his job or get a payout while DE Shaw is demanding to get their money back. I can’t believe I’m saying this because Eileen Drake (AR’s old president) was a horrible person, fired someone for getting the wrong chicken for her lunch, but she rode Kubasic around like he was the town bike. His hard-on for some twisted revenge aimed at Lockheed after being walked out when caught sleeping with a subordinate made him a colossal fool. Or maybe he thought she still worked at AR and wanted a chance to rekindle (fun fact - his affair came to AR and oversaw the single biggest program loss in the last 2 decades before leaving in disgrace). The only thing that makes sense with this layoff is that Kubasic has already been told he is gone but to earn some big walk away money they told him to be the axe man. That way the next CEO doesn’t have to be the bad guy and can start fresh. There is no way he can go on, everyone will laugh at him when he talks about his billion dollar savings and LHNext.

By the way kudos to the other segments on dumping their rejects to lead the AR segment. Look at that AR org chart, it is all that is wrong with DEI. Listen this isn’t going to be a “all DEI is bad” rant, I’ll put more at the end on that, so for now, let’s get back to this absolute fu--ing disaster of a segment leadership team. Again, Eileen Drake was the worst (until now), but she was smart enough to surround herself with competent leaders. Ross Neanderthal is hiring all his inept friends or getting the other segments losers forced on him. Seriously the COO doesn’t have an IQ over 100, customers and suppliers are requesting he never talks to them again. Thanks SAS for sending him over, brilliant move on your part. HR is obviously just way over their head. From the integration until today it is just sh-t show at every turn and a full display of someone that just shouldn’t be in that position, 100% fail. We would have gladly taken the original person HR at close, unfortunately he was clearly smart enough to want out, so that made him a bad fit for this group. CFO and head of engineering, women quotas and Ross’s buddies from Raytheon. Clearly a person with an EE degree is the right choice to run engineering of a propulsion company, pure genius,I’m sure the competition is taking notes and are going to copy that move. Customers really don’t care about making the right technical decisions by someone who has no idea which end the fire comes out, but instead care what the leadership demographic ratios are. CFO couldn’t get a budget out until May, one full quarter in, real decisive decision making on display there. All Ross talks about is needing more women at higher levels, it was starting to get a little weird to tell you the truth, a real hang up for him. I guess since Chris’s front page DEI statement is we need 50% women in leadership and Ross does everything he can possibly do to kiss his a-s. Seriously, every quote he has is something Chris already said. I guess when you lick his a-s you spew his sh-t. The new president of space sector didn’t know what Artemis was, seriously 39 engines on the vehicle, NASA’s biggest program, and her old segment even made the avionics boxes, but couldn’t place the name. But hey it’s a woman in her 40s so that is all that matters (see it is weird, right Ross’s fetish, you should see his difference in demeanor in meetings when women present vs men). The new guy in strategy was a quick move out of corporate before Thursday’s blood letting, must be a nephew or something of someone in the C-suite to get out at the perfect time, someone should investigate that. I can’t wait to see who the new president of missiles will be and their new CFO, but I have some guesses. It is hard to believe only one heritage AR person was good enough to be on segment leadership team, now that both presidents are gone. I think we can all agree the BD lead must have na--d pictures of the above-mentioned a-s licking. They were stupid enough to buy AR for about a billion too much, but no one at AR was good enough to lead going forward, fu-k you and your egos, I bet you all think you are doing a great job. Google Dunning-Kruger effect, but I’m sure you think it doesn’t apply to you, they never do.

Ross has no idea how to be a leader, he is incompetent at every level. He came and lied through his teeth at the roadshows after close about how we were going to increase investment and how the people are what L3Harris really bought. This layoff was completely unnecessary at AR, we have the work and were already lean because of the sale, we stopped indirect hiring since when LM tried to buy us. That’s why the laid off were 80% direct workers because that was all that was left. He just has no backbone and can’t even make a smart business argument to his daddy, just keeps licking. The guy has no credibility left. He is a joke. I love how when he was CTO he built up all this big do nothing organization that wasted everyone’s time. Ross gets a big promotion or maybe it was a way to get a liability out of corporate. The new CTO comes in and says this is all stupid sh-t, we ain’t doing any of it anymore. I heard they cut the whole bloated 20+ organization to 2 people. Ross CTO legacy gone in one day, and I do feel bad for those that hooked their wagon to that lame a-s horse.

The only thing that makes sense out of all this is that they are planning on dissolving the AR segment, just think of all that segment OH - 10s of millions of dollars to save. Space sector goes to SAS and Missile sector to IMS. They put these re--rds in charge just to speed up the downfall when the FTC questions why it had to be done. So much for two companies that were American Icons with 70+ yr legacies, won the space race and probably the cold war. Like I said at the opening they are already dead, they just don’t know it yet.

So I wanted to finish the thought on DEI. I think there are many positives to some of the aspects. For one, I think when you are college recruiting it’s good to have some goals and make sure the company moves in the right direction over time, capitalizing on all the potential talent out there. College hires are a cr-p shoot anyway and there are enough spots to go around, - this guy was on concrete canoe team while this gal was on the model UN team, but this one was a TA – I can’t tell which is better, just pick one. But once you get in the door there shouldn’t be an invisible hand pushing you ahead in the race. I welcome having ERG groups as resources to support our diverse employee set if they need it, but we shouldn’t have programs that skip you to the front of the line for the better and desired positions based on your race and gender. Real recent experience: our group had to pick someone for one of the corporate L3H accelerate programs, the advertised most important requirement was the nominees had to be very high potential or performer. We supplied the names, but all got rejected because it didn’t meet the unsaid “expectations”. We then found a woman, who is a perfectly good employee, but just hovering in the middle of the performance curve. She never showed any ambition to be a leader, but she is now on the fast track, congratulations. And there lies the problem, when you have programs like that, you can never fully trust that the leadership is competent and made it there because of their ability or hard work and you can’t be a trusted leader with that hanging over your head. It does a disservice to all, especially women and people of color in the long run. So looking at the AR segment org chart can you tell which ones are DEIs either here or at their former companies and which ones made it on their own merits? Trick question for AR segment it was all the former, they openly brag about it.

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Post ID: @OP+1s3fHAKx

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L3Harris has officially hit government status where decisions are made thru greed and corruption instead of expertise and logic. Can only hope and pray that both entities end up with a different set of leaders sooner rather than later.
People were fired the same way in my segment that others explained, no warning or valid justification, just a list of who to walk out the door with no feedback or discussion with their supervisors, colleagues or managers. Now there are multiple examples (not all) of dead weight slacker left behind, while the performing, irreplaceable employees were fired. Hey management, this was a great way to motivate your surviving employees to go that extra mile, you should do things like this more often (heavy sarcasm for those who can’t pick that up).
Coming from a minority, DEI initiatives are a joke. It really stands for Discrimination Exclusion ignorance. Example: if the entire engineering population in the country doesn’t even consist of 50% female & minority, how is it EQUAL to make that a staffing requirement. Thats like saying 70% of nurses must be Male. The endangered traits of logic and sense would tell us to eliminate race & gender from staffing evaluations as much as possible and focus on capabilities, knowledge and experience for the position. The most qualified people should get the positions. Ive personally been involved in multiple panels that resulted in recommendations to not hire a person and then see them walking the halls because they met a metric and the others did not. How Ironic it is that all those people are no longer with the company and that wasn’t the result of this or previous RIFs. Hopefully something positive comes from this negative Keep up the feedback everyone and share with your friends and fam!

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Post ID: @8vcp+1s3fHAKx

Clifton had some young experienced engineers hiring DEI, these engineers were also DEI. I can't speak for all, but I see some people in their positions who one can easily spot such DEI doing belong in their position at L3HARRIS-Clifton. Still they promote DEI with great deal of momentum! Also they are getting bigger bonuses so they can retain DEI, we're talking about 6-8% while others range in their 2%...

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Post ID: @4lss+1s3fHAKx

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Post ID: @4nnd+1s3fHAKx

My deepest condolences for those who lost their jobs. Here, at the Clifton site, we got hit quite hard. No, I'm not one of those who lost their jobs, but there were a lot of good people who did. The union decided to let go members in the form of last-in-first-out. We lost good techs, excellent assemblers, and the whole line where boards are made is simply gone. The quality department has been decimated, operations has been hit hard, a few good and bad bosses walked out, some engineers were laid off unreasonably. GLs didn't know anything until the morning, director seems he knew only a few days earlier. At Clifton we got rid of those who were going to leave the company such as those who have retirement notice, but those who are loud wanting to get laid off didn't really get laid off. To me sounds a bit weird, nobody knows how the layoff happened, but it seemed to us it was a sc--w up by the president Kubasic for the purchase of aerojet rocketdyne and these layoffs were an offset for such purchase. We always thought it was a d-mb purchase, paid a lot more than what it was worth, and now there will be more competition with Elon Musk and their reusable rockets. As mentioned within the main thread, AR seems to be dead. By the way, at AR, who slept with who?

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Post ID: @4bqo+1s3fHAKx

As it pertains to DEI, I am hearing that people are pointing to that process as one of the issues that is driving the quality concerns at Boeing. People need to step back and refocus on selecting the best person for a job. Otherwise the US as a whole will be in trouble

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Post ID: @3kzx+1s3fHAKx

Funny, I’ve heard from a reliable source that a lot of the layoffs were people with HR issues/complaints against them.

These posts ranting about all the d-mb women and dirty minorities ruining the company sure do back that up.

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Post ID: @3fnq+1s3fHAKx

You would think if legacy L3 was worried about being destroyed by Harris that it would have changed things over the past almost 3 years considering the CEO is from L3 and hired many of the current staff. Financial performance isn't everything but boy something has changed since the L3 CEO took over......

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Post ID: @3wwz+1s3fHAKx

“L3 didn’t do this. L3 was the AR around three years ago. What is left is pure Harris”

Not true, not sure where you got your information from but that’s is so not true, L3 from what was reported back then demanded that the name L3 came before Harris. And what is left is so not pure Harris, look at those on LinkedIn you will see many show L3 as where they were before L3Harris.

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Post ID: @3yni+1s3fHAKx

L3 didn’t do this. L3 was the AR around three years ago. What is left is pure Harris.

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Post ID: @3ccw+1s3fHAKx

This poster has it right on que! I’ve worked the space program and missile programs for AR. The current leadership at the AMF HSV has there head up their a**, doesn’t have a clue about aerospace and the hand-made products, as the current leadership is from the automotive industry. L3 as ruined the legacy of Aerojet Rocketdyne.

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Post ID: @2mra+1s3fHAKx

Not sure about this one site but I would be shocked if multiple adverse impact calculations were not done to make sure the RIF was done properly. If not, L3H will get what it deserves.

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Post ID: @2lcd+1s3fHAKx

The Huntsville layoff seemed targeted. Minorities made up 15% of the workforce but were 60% of the laid off personal. 2nd shift only had 2 get laid off and guess which demographic was affected? 2 of the 3 black males on the shift. The SM3 layoff was even worse, eliminated 60% of the work force and Minorities made up 85% of the effected personel. DEI is at 5%. White males make up 70% of the work force but we're barely effected accounting for 10% of the ones laid off. We have bias and discriminatory management and it showed with these layoffs. Minorities and older people were targets. Thank tho I feel like the guy who got kicked off his flight by Devine intervention. He was safe at home while the plane crashed

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Post ID: @2brg+1s3fHAKx

I was one of the people laid off also at AR this past week. Not sure how many were laid off in Ca., but I didn't see a WARN notice filed with the State of CA. for this.

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Post ID: @2bdn+1s3fHAKx

I've been retired from AJ for a while and am so glad I'm out of there. AJ put tons of money into Oracle, but hardly any money for consultants or customizing. I'm told they still cannot run an accurate MRP after 8-10 years of 'trying'. They made every classic mistake in the implementation, and invented some new ones as well. Management pushed it all down to the lowest levels for them to solve, and then played d-mb - which wasn't hard for some of them.

As far as guys fooling around at work, there was always some of that going around, but no one ever got fired. I remember one in particular who was quite a pl----y and even got a married woman pregnant, but still wasn't fired. Can you even believe that?
It was a Peyton Place out there during my years with them, and it was just so sickening.

We all saw a lot of people who were kept on for who knows what rational reasons, it was that obvious. But on the other hand, there were tons of good people in Camden. People with morals and self-control, and who worked hard for their meager pay.

Sacramento treated Camden like a red-headed stepchild, and made no bones about telling us we were making plenty of money as it was. Sacto was union back then and there was no way we were ever going to have access to their pay scales. I heard that regular production was making what our engineers were, and I'd heard plenty that caused me to believe it. And all the time we had people working tons of overtime to make up for the constant understaffing.

The problem is, it's the good Camden people who suffer right along with the bad. It looks like Aerojet will never change, and that's a crying shame. They had a gold mine in Camden, but took our money to the west coast and made us do without. And now everyone's suffering.

On top of all that, they've loaded tons of new contracts into the Camden plant, and some of it is going to take a lot of money to get ready for. Makes me wonder how many programs will be hurt in the process.

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Post ID: @2ozm+1s3fHAKx

The cankerous hole appears to be moribund in all respects.

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Post ID: @2hpe+1s3fHAKx

Wow thank you so much for your transparency! What I would do to be able to meet and pick your brain a little about the current state of the industry, and any tips or suggestions you may have to be able to help me get my foot in the door. I'm a recent BS ME and AE graduate, and I'd describe myself as exceptionally hungry to learn, get my hands dirty, and do the work needed to get done to push the limits, and with a good foundation on the technical fundamentals. However, being a recent grad in this period has proven to be exceptionally difficult to convert any leads into real opportunities. Anyway, I doubt meeting you would be possible given the anonymous nature of this site. Good read anyway! Thank you very much.

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Post ID: @1rdr+1s3fHAKx

Amazing critique.
30 yr veteran with deep smarts.
Looking forward to next post!
(Love to meet you for a grande latte with an extra shot)

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Post ID: @1oto+1s3fHAKx

Post L3 - Harris merger I saw two executive positions downgraded that were occupied by white males inside the then Stackley and Humphrey IMS segment. These two positions were not related not dependent on one another. When the successor to those said white males both happened to be female, both positions were re-graded back up to a level. Later when after those same two positions were again occupied by white males, you guessed it--downgraded again. These are only two data points. There has to be countless ones out there. Interpret it for yourself.

During that same time period it was required that new college engineer hires that were not diverse candidates had to be approved by segment HR but diverse candidates did not require the same sign off. Good non diverse candidates were sometimes lost waiting on those signatures to get the offer out that a diverse candidate didn't require. Just reporting the facts, again you interpret it how you will.

For the individual who wrote the original post and anyone else curious about how some people survive despite poor leadership I would be curious if all cards were on the table concerning Stackley and Humphrey, what would the verdict be?

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Post ID: @1usx+1s3fHAKx

L3 Harris is a terrible company to work for.

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Post ID: @1yvw+1s3fHAKx

The AR team now that they are rid of the CA management anchor has a better chance at success. L3 hopefully will walk at a slow pace to understand the business and technology because now they are not just an aerospace company, they are an explosive manufacturer. Tremendous difference from everything they have done to date. It’s NOT business as usual.

The best thing they could do is sign up a bunch of consultant retirees for about a year in every discipline reporting only to upper management to guide them through the specialized engineering, production, QA , and SCMM details. If they really want to make a go of it bring back the guys that made it all work in the past at the great success and profit levels of five or more years ago. Be smart L3 bring (Dad) back to show you how to ride this new bike it won’t take long and give your young management a chance to grow and succeed. Its a lot cheaper than a system failure.

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Post ID: @1upv+1s3fHAKx

Why aren’t segments led by qualified professionals with PhD’s and experience? The amount of so called leaders with terrible past histories is astounding. Even the president of the company does not seem qualified to be in the position he somehow ended up in. Must be some kind of blackmail/extortion at a high level in L3Harris.

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Post ID: @1yho+1s3fHAKx

Fantastic insight, OP, thanks for telling it like you see it. I strongly agree with your DEI (DIE?) analysis. I was formerly involved in recruiting, and there was a very blatant push for me to forward "diverse" (non-white/male) candidates forward, even if they were less qualified than a white male. I silently refused, always recommending the most qualified candidate, regardless of age/race/s-x/gender. Eventually, I quit recruiting because I could no longer continue in good conscience.

I have also witnessed the unmistakable HR initiatives to promote diverse (again, non-white/male) colleagues over non-diverse candidates. I have seen that play out both when the candidates are otherwise equivalent, and I've seen many other instances where the diverse candidate was clearly less competent/deserving and yet still chosen over the other candidate.

I'm quite sure some would argue that my experiences are anecdotal. That's true, and yet many other current and former L3H employees have also discussed this phenomenon on this very website and others. When many people experience the same anecdotes, across many segments/sectors/divisions and sites nationwide, that's called "noticing reality." These practices will eventually destroy the company, but at least no one gets called racist (unless it's a non-diverse candidate who happens to notice and be d-mb enough to speak up about it).

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Post ID: @eld+1s3fHAKx

More posts like this please. Wow!

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Post ID: @bnb+1s3fHAKx

They will be OK. Organizational structure, leaders, etc are not important.

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Post ID: @bbj+1s3fHAKx

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