Anyone else notice?
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"Post-Covid, they've moved to small, individually wrapped packages ... and with the hybrid work system, one can almost always find plenty of them available. :-) "
These also go fast too, not as fast as pre-Covid but still fast. They do not last all week, depending which building you work in.
No such thing as all you can eat M&Ms in Cary. They only fill the empty jars once a week and when they're gone, they're gone and they go fast. You'll have to wait for the following week for refills if you're lucky enough to see them in the jars.
I rarely ever saw any M&Ms in the breakrooms because they're almost always gone as soon as the jars are filled. I don't eat M&Ms so I don't care but I can imagine how disappointed others feel when looking for M&Ms and there are none.
Not only SAS employees steal M&Ms but they also steal jars of peanut butter from the break rooms. I saw a guy walked out of the building with 2 jars of peanut butter, one in each of his hand going home at the end of the day in his car. He did not care who saw him. Brazen!
“I think only a few employees get ‘all you can eat peanut M&M's’. These selfish employees know exactly when the peanut M&M bins are filled, and they empty them into their own private stashes.”
This made me laugh! When I started at SAS in the 80s, testing shared Bldg H with Sales. We knew the M&Ms had been delivered each week from the sound of them being poured—tink, tink, tink—into the glass jar that the Sales group used.
"I think only a few employees get "all you can eat peanut M&M's". These selfish employees know exactly when the peanut M&M bins are filled, and they empty them into their own private stashes. Most employees are lucky to get just a few peanut M&M's each week, and must forage like squirrels to find them."
Ha ha ... this used to be so true!
Post-Covid, they've moved to small, individually wrapped packages ... and with the hybrid work system, one can almost always find plenty of them available. :-)
“SAS is too cheap and does not pay well or competitively enough, either in US or overseas”
They should offer India all you can eat peanut M&Ms in lieu of competitive salaries as they do in Cary.
The best talents do not come or stay with SAS because SAS is too cheap and does not pay well or competitively enough, either in US or overseas. SAS is also so cheap that they do not offer employees tuition reimbursements for advanced degrees while working at SAS, unlike other better tech companies.
“but I can tell you that is not the case for other tech companies operating there.”
But these threads aren’t about other companies. I know from direct experience that SAS has a hard time keeping employees in India. Not just the really good ones. We never pay enough and frankly many Cary managers that should care about what happens there, just don’t. They see it as an inconvenience.
Pushing more TS there, if that is what happens, is going to be a rude awakening for SAS customers as well as the support staff left in Cary. But getting the best quality for the customer isn’t the goal.
There are many good software engineers in India. They won’t work for SAS or at least not for very long. There are many good people working for SAS in India but they aren’t the best. It’s the same in the US and Europe.
If I were a top talent in Pune, I'd want to work for a top-paying company. I'd search the Internet, and find lists. I would not find SAS on those lists.
https://www.google.com/search?q=top-paying+companies+in+Pune
https://leetcode.com/discuss/compensation/1387183/top-paying-firms-of-pune
https://www.quora.com/Which-are-the-highest-paying-software-companies-in-Pune
You sound pretty defensive.
All I will say is that dealing with US Support and dealing with off shore support is a radically different experience.
Judging from many comments made across many threads here, the talent can be INCREDIBLY bad in Cary, North Carolina too.
Not really sure what you mean by..."There's also no real oversight into hiring practices or metrics over there."
Maybe SAS is so utterly hopeless that it doesn't have such controls over it's Indian based operations, but I can tell you that is not the case for other tech companies operating there.
Oh calm down, no one is saying that there is no good talent in India.
The problem is that when the talent is bad, it's INCREDIBLY bad. There's also no real oversight into hiring practices or metrics over there.
Any suggestion that India does not have oustanding and deep software engineering talent is just simply wrong and actually has a little sniff of racism about it.
The best talent in India are going to work for Google, Meta, Microsoft, AWS, Salesforce, etc. They all have big development centres in India and attract the best talent. Just like in the US, SAS is incapable of attracting the best talent.
I'm not surprised about lots of hiring in India; all new hiring in IT is supposed to go through India first. Given my experiences at other companies that have done this, I don't believe that this is a good thing.
Software development is newer than other forms of manufacturing. So it has taken longer for people overseas to get good at it. That’s the only reason outsourcing of our industry has been delayed.
As long as people overseas work for 1/3 of American salaries, outsourcing is an unstoppable trend. It accelerates during recessions, or anytime companies cut costs.
True, overseas talent has quality problems. But it’s the trend that matters. The folks overseas are intelligent, working hard, and getting better. Their quality problems are temporary; this won’t protect you.
SAS is, as usual, an exception to most rules. The owners hate layoffs, and they’re clearly not trying to maximize short-term profits. If this were a public company, more jobs would have moved overseas long ago.
If you get laid off from SAS, be assured you will compete with overseas talent at 1/3 of American salaries. Software development is not different from other forms of manufacturing, only newer.
The talent I've worked with from the Pune team is astoundingly bad. They need hand holding for the most basic things.
Well that went right off the rails...
"We can not expect to compete in the global economy and at the same time expect high domestic wages".
Yep. Let's race to the bottom! It's our job to make those fat capitalists, our corporate overlords, happy. And while we're at it, let's outlaw unions! And bring back child labor! And eliminate all that pesky government "red tape" like OSHA and the EPA! Why not eliminate the weekend, or the 40-hour work week while we're at it to make ourselves more competitive? We should be willing to die for our employers. Any company that allows us to work for it deserves unwavering loyalty and devotion after all.
Companies should be free to work us until we die at our desks, pollute the air we breathe, poison the water we drink, and pay us so little that we can only afford corpse starch and protein bricks made of the cockroaches living off the refuse of our civilization.
That's , friend.
Wait a minute, “high domestic wages”? I must be in the forum for the shoe company. /s
Of course. The more expensive labor becomes in the USA, the more jobs that will go overseas - or get replaced by automation.
We can not expect to compete in the global economy and at the same time expect high domestic wages,
This seems to be the trend, for a while now. SAS Cary is shrinking.
I hadn’t noticed but it makes cost sense that more R&D, hosting and other support jobs will be shifted to less costly locations.