Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

...we need a good class action lawsuit for all the lies told that have unethically justified layoffs the last few rounds. ... We need to fight back, but with legal means...

You need to look up the legal concept known as "at-will employment" as well as study "Dodge v. Ford Motor Company." A company's legal obligation is to its shareholders and they can fire employees without cause at any time. Now relax and enjoy your 3 ounce "pint" of ice cream.

Unions would ki-l Cisco in the US. Instead, we need a good class action lawsuit for all the lies told that have unethically justified layoffs the last few rounds. Only Cisco lays off people in times of record earnings at the same time as sending other people to Hawaii for parties and lining the ELT pockets with millions. Maybe treating people like cr-p in a layoff isn't illegal, but when Cisco touts "Great Place to Work" and treats us they way they do, that's also a clear lie. We need to fight back, but with legal means, not unions.

There's no place for a union in an environment where free thinking and creativity are involved

I wonder if she realized she destroyed her whole argument with regards to Cisco (I wouldn't want to offend you with they/they/their.)

Cisco demanded software engineers checkin N (an arbitrary number from each Director) blocks of code per week whether or not it did anything and whether or not it went through any of the ISO9000 processes. The result is you've created excess busy work rather than producing anything useful, so you get low productivity with a level of compensation that for the majority far exceeds their contribution, so it's like being in a union except you can be laid off, but even then Cisco is keeping far more people than it should. Don't be surprised if you rock that boat and it capsizes with everyone getting paid the actual median contribution of their grade level.

Unions often negotiate contracts that include provisions for job security. These provisions can include protections against arbitrary layoffs, outsourcing, or offshoring of jobs. By establishing safeguards and procedures, unions can help prevent the loss of jobs to other countries and create a more stable employment environment.

In ancient times the US unions hit a fair middle ground with reasonable pay, reasonable hours and reasonable safety. Then they kept going and going and going and by 40-50 years ago they were saying things like "the person running the glue g-n around the frame for the car windshield can't possibly be expected to tell someone when the glue ran out" so cars were piling up without having their windshields attached. Companies want infinite income with zero cost, employees want infinite income with zero work, and that common nature means once one side starts to dominate it will choke out the other.

A few countries with unions figured out at the manufacturing level management and labor need each other, but then the cost cutting moved to design and things that used to last 30 years are broken in 3 so they're just taking money from the employees on the other side.

Time for the afternoon cocktails at the Four Seasons

If "they" refers to the relevant parties or individuals who have the ability to expedite a particular task or process, and it hasn't been done yet, it suggests that there may be factors preventing or delaying the acceleration of that task.

Unions often negotiate contracts that include provisions for job security. These provisions can include protections against arbitrary layoffs, outsourcing, or offshoring of jobs. By establishing safeguards and procedures, unions can help prevent the loss of jobs to other countries and create a more stable employment environment.

They'll just expedite the moves to India.

You honestly think that's Cisco?

Yet another "let's organize" leftist drone. There's no place for a union in an environment where free thinking and creativity are involved (or libs for that matter).

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/historic-hundreds-google-employees-form-union/story?id=75034978