Thread regarding IBM layoffs

China firms developing Power ISA silicon chips

Could this be a signal that all Power technology and patents will eventually be sold off by IBM to the Chinese, and all employees in Power will transition out of the company?

https://customstoday.media/chinese-chip-makers-to-make-its-own-power8-server-chips-by-using-ibm-tecnology/

"BEIJING: International Business Machines Corp, (IBM) has begun offering its technology for other companies for use in their own chips and computers in 2013. Now some tech firms in China are taking Big Blue up on it.

China’s Suzhou PowerCore Technology Co. said it would offer its own variant of the IBM Power8 microprocessor, the first chip to emerge from the program, which is known as OpenPower. The CP1, as the Chinese chip is called, is expected to be used initially by another Chinese company called Zoom Netcom in a new line of servers called RedPower."

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chip-ibm-open-source-power-isa-x86-arm-server-cpu-us-sanctions

"Hexin Technology, a CPU developer from China, said that it had powered on its HX-C2000 TC2, the second-gen test chip of its upcoming HX-C2000 processor based on the RISC instruction set architecture, marking yet another step forward for China as the country looks to overcome US sanctions. The chip wields 110 billion transistors and uses IBM's open standard Power ISA."

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IBM’s go to partner over the years has been Lenovo as things (thinkpad, PC’s, Intel servers) moved to commodity. I expect those rails are greased and power and small storage are the next logical choices. IBM exits out of the commodity business, Lenovo gets a product line that slots in above “intel” and can leverage their supply and service chain, China gets a product that isn’t Intel and something they can customize, IBM gets a cost sharing partner and consumer of their IP. Drinks for everyone

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Post ID: @3ewn+1pQY2j2R

1hib The open power foundation has already done a lot of the leg work of your foundation idea, and it’s just a hop/skip/jump to reorient power. IBM has a vested interest in Power (high end storage uses power, along with the monopoly of system I, and finally the large ISV’s (oracle, and sap) have an interest in extending power). Look for IBM to keep the “enterprise” side of the house with Lenovo taking the commodity side. IBM licenses the IP including the OS’s, and encourages Lenovo to use redhat. Lenovo/China will embrace the LINUX on power alternative to Intel

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Post ID: @1wkl+1pQY2j2R

I tend to agree with the overall concept re: Lenovo and IBM, though I think the outcome will be slightly different:

  1. POWER will follow in SPARC's footsteps. IBM might continue to own the POWER architecture and design, or POWER may be handed over to a foundation of some kind like SPARC was.
  2. Other companies will be licensed to build POWER machines, either by IBM or by whatever foundation or group ends up owning the POWER design. They will build hardware for as long as the economics remain viable.
  3. Don't expect POWER to last very long. The market is speaking, and it says that Intel and AMD are good enough for now, and ARM is promising for the future. Oracle and Fujitsu have both ended SPARC development, and I would expect the same thing to occur with POWER. It will be phased out after a decade "to promote customer modernization".
  4. IBM is not a "general purpose computing" vendor now, and it won't be one in the future. They are and will continue to be a business solutions vendor. IBM software products (DB2, CICS, MQ, Websphere, etc.) will be combined with IBM-made and third-party hardware under various service and support agreements. IBM consulting and services will remain available, as always.
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Post ID: @1hib+1pQY2j2R

Come on Lenovo Just license IBM’s IP and move the Power partnership along. IBM wants to exit the commodity HW business and Lenovo needs an alternative to Intel. It’s the natural progression of IBM exiting commodity HW for IP revenue. Expect IBM to continue to build the big boxes in POK, while Lenovo will build and service all of the rest. IBM will license the IP, and Lenovo will exploit the LINUX on power capabilities. The earlier this week announcement of IBM partnering with Amazon for DB2 kinda shows where IBM, is heading. A consulting / SW company focused on Enterprise.

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Post ID: @1vvd+1pQY2j2R
This ISA is formally open to everyone and
debuted in China in 2014. The Hexin team
comprises 400 members, many recruited from
IBM's high-performance R&D center. The team
has "reconstructed" IBM's closed design
methodology with its EDA chip design tools,
design flow, and architecture.

"'reconstructed'"? Please. . . more like stolen and copied, the typical M.O. of the Chinese.
Can IBM possibly be prosecuted for aiding and abetting the enemy when these chips inevitably wind-up in PLA military hardware?

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