What do they actually do all day? I thought 3M was restructuring yet they're all still lingering? I laughed when a coworker said 3M meant Micro-Manage and Meetings. Funny but true. Can we clean house on some wasteful jobs in the plants already? Buy more tvs and talk about red and greens with a dozen people. Pass down a pass down from another higher up? Why? Start hiring competent proactive management that gets sh-t done for employees. Supply chain management is an absolute failure. Covid was 3 years ago. Time to build and purchase parts in the USA. Figure it out already. 3M is going to be legendary on how to not run a company.
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There should be an immediate 50 percent reduction in all management positions company-wide. No exceptions and no alibis.
The remaining management should receive an immediate 10 percent reduction in compensation. All bonus plans for management are suspended indefinitely. No exceptions and no alibis.
All members of the senior management group should receive an immediate 25 percent reduction in compensation. No exceptions and no alibis. No golden parachutes of any kind either.
99 percent of all problems in any organization are caused by management. In order to cure the patient, you have to rid yourself of the germs.
No questions thank you. Had u not clarified about being just director level, it describes jayshree. But i guess ur not getting to attend film festivals at guantanamo.
I am in a Director level position and I bring in about $250 k per year. I have zero direct reports and I am supposed to commercialize a product which has been in development phase for many many years. Of course I contributed zilch towards the technical aspects of the program, but I claim "leadership" when it comes to presenting this technology to the outside world.
My primary job is to make pretty Power Point slides and meet with customers and tell them how cool this new technology is!
Is there another company in the world which is as good !!! Why leave eh ?? Any other questions about my role here !
The 3M HR is trash here. Please replace them all with Kearney HR.
@Kearneyneedsyourdollars
The whole HR leadership team are way over their heads. They let go of all the competent next gen HR leaders without explanation other than those individuals asked questions and challenged their leaders to do better. I could list those people but this post would likely be removed. They don’t have any competent OD people either so the way the cuts happened aren’t surprising.
We have vps reporting to vps, svps reporting to svps. Director to directors. When u have zozo the clown and kathy coleman in charge of hr, thats what u get. We are truly a company with inept ppl in charge.
Does anyone have the pay scale of the directors to VPs or SVPs?
TTS has directors reporting to directors.
Why does a company need so many VPs, Senior directors, Directors etc? There are many directors who are in single contributor roles. Wonder how 3M can justify such excessive headcounts in the midst of this disaster.
What’s wrong with you bro?
Maybe I’d you’d do something we wouldn’t need to micro mange you….
I did see fellow colleague who are plain lucky and got successive yearly promotions. It's truly not what you know, but who you know that matters.
Here is my perspective from working here at the bench level for about 20 years now.
The majority of the people, let's say about 80%, that joined management during my time were rather mediocre or average technical folks. Joined management ranks for the quick and easy promotions ( change divisions ....promotion, followed old boss to a new position...promotion, double promotion for who knows doing what....).
How can one expect great things from such folks ??
Sat here in ch on my $400k watching the world go by working my way with 11% taxes
3M what great company
does anyone see any improvement since they changed LVS into BSC? it seems there are not much differences. things are still as s.h.t.t.y
The fact of the matter is 3M management, at any level, is an absolute disgrace.
Duplication of effort coupled with a systemic failure to meet or exceed defined objectives, demonstrates the need for massive personnel changes at all management levels.
Department runs better when tyrant supervisor and senior supervisor's aren't around. Weird.
Collating reports? That might actually be useful. I think you're mistaken though and meant to say they make pretty PowerPoint presentations that are nothing more than art projects with a bunch of buzzwords and don't contain any useful information at all.
Management, provides absolutely no value except to check a box for their own job security. “Babysitting” sales reps 2 days in the field is such a great use of their time so they can tell their bosses they left the house and provide absolutely no value to the customer or rep. When are the cuts going to go after middle managment and get rid of the dead weight fat here?
Blaming “woke” and DEI sounds like bitter, old white men that are not successful and need to place blame on someone. Probably the same ones that think immigrants are the reason the country has issues. Grow and accept responsibility for your failures and quit blaming others. Sheesh.
Hello @1spy+1o1ytbfd “too many VPs and Directors nowadays. doing nothing much..”these tooooo many mid-mgmt are generally results of DEI & Woke Culture where dummies are unnecessarily placed there to make it look nice at the expense of the Org itself.
Resultant is evident here, look at any companies, now they’re getting sued.
https://www.inc.com/brit-morse/the-end-of-affirmative-action-at-colleges-sparks-new-concern-for-companies-own-dei-policies.html
too many VPs and Directors nowadays.
doing nothing much but just collating reports
3M has been waning for years and is no longer the strong, stable company people vie to work for (or want to keep working for). It is a sad they have basically taken the legs out from under thousands of employees who have been loyal, dedicated and productive (and proud to work there). Today, your valued until you not based on the bottom line. Upper Management strategy is throwing darts at the board hoping to save face with their shareholders.
SVPs are either devising or parroting initiatives that cycle through the management ranks. The amount of non-value-added work this creates is insane.
Gibbons did have a point that stupid asks and report-outs are a drain on this company.
Execs should keep it simple.
1 Make safe product
2 Make quality product
3 Launch and grow new product
4 Find ways to save money on mature product
4 things. Trim the fat not on worker bees but on leadership and d-mb ideas. But also don’t be so d-mb (Gibbons) to focus on JUST one thing (yield).
It’s easy to define but difficult to do. Execs spend all their time defining stuff bc they can’t do the work. We’re paying hundreds of millions to parrots.
But let me ask a different question: what do so many vps and svps do all day apart from presiding over meetings? Isnt that the example we are supposed to follow? Why single out mid management. It sounds a bit like sour grapes.
Funny how ALL the middle managers somehow survived the cuts yet the people who do actual work were let go. How does any work actually get done now?
They are sales people that are willing to sacrifice their weekends to do busy work. Why do we need any RBMs in PSD, just post it on Yammer or whatever you use upper managers
@odb+1o1ytbfd (Sergio)
The one item missing from your list is ‘denial’. The ongoing denial of any self mistakes is in my mind, the most obvious characteristic of 3M middle and upper management. No introspection or ability to assess their own lack of leadership ever occurs.
This issue is partially generational (sense of entitlement) and partly how they were raised (never being held responsible for their own actions).
3M middle and upper management specialize in:
- Arrogance
- Selfishness
- Insecurity
- Micromanagement
- Lack Of Humanity And Respect
- Inability To Think ‘Outside The Box’
- Huge Ego
- Negativity
- Inability To Show Empathy
- Inability To Compartmentalize
- Unspoken Expectations
- Not Listening
- Being Self-Centered
I mean….not a lot is my answer. Oh. Except get paid a lot of money. And when we visit plants it is amusing watching people that have to turn up every day, break sweat and get paid less.
Soz but that’s just the way it is
Get back to it worker bees
Middle managers perform a very important task that the worker bees cannot do....kiss the dark side of the moon (think of the rear end of top honchos) on a daily basis.
That is the primary job.
I talked to a few low-mid level managers, and they were shocked they weren't part of the last round of cuts. The discussions they referenced were that middle management was supposed to be targeted deeply, and instead they survived and in some areas the layers within the hierarchy got worse (not leaner). Target unnecessary middle management with like 2 or 3 direct reports sounded good, but perhaps that was all it was meant to do. Sound good to soften the news or something. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions keep cutting those who know stuff and do things. If you don't make or sell something directly, what do you support and where do you add value? Middle management survived, and high impacts to areas and workers that actually execute and directly keep production and sales alive? WHAT A JOKE
I think what bilbo gibbons meant hes going to make a latte for each supplier with his everyday wins points left over from starbucks. Upon kearneys million dollar advice thru dominic.
Gibbons sent a stern warning to all 3M suppliers: beware of 3M, we are a sleeping giant and we are coming at you