Thread regarding 3M layoffs

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When 3M splits into two via th spin-off, there are several factors that can influence the share prices of the new companies (the "RemainCo" and the "SpinCo"):

Initial Reaction: Initially, when the spin-off is announced, there could be uncertainty and volatility in the stock price of both companies. Investors may react to the news with excitement or caution, depending on their perception of the value and prospects of the two separate entities.

Value Assessment: The share price of each company will be influenced by how investors perceive the value of the individual businesses post-spin. If investors believe that the RemainCo has strong growth prospects and sound financials, its share price may be positively impacted. Conversely, if investors believe the SpinCo is weaker or has limited potential, its share price may be negatively affected.

Market Sentiment: General market sentiment and economic conditions can also play a role in determining share prices. Positive market sentiment could lift the share prices of both companies, while negative sentiment could weigh them down.

Demand and Supply: The share prices will ultimately be determined by the demand and supply dynamics in the market. If there is strong demand for the shares of either company, their prices could rise. On the other hand, if there is limited interest or a sell-off by investors, the share prices may decline.

Regarding the scenario, where investors realize that the RemainCo could go bankrupt after the spin-off, the share price of RemainCo is likely to plummet. Bankruptcy implies that the company is unable to meet its debt obligations or operational expenses, which erodes investor confidence and results in significant selling pressure. As a result, the share price could decrease rapidly as investors rush to sell their shares before the company's financial situation deteriorates further.

It's important to note that bankruptcies are complex situations, and various factors( earplugs, poisoning the planet) can influence the outcome, such as potential restructuring, asset sales, or legal proceedings. Additionally, the share price of the SpinCo may also be affected, as investors might fear similar financial issues in both companies, leading to a broader sell-off in the industry or sector.

Investing in companies undergoing spin-offs and potential bankruptcies carries significant risks, and investors should carefully assess the financial health and prospects of both companies before making any investment decisions. It is always advisable to consult with a financial advisor or conduct thorough research before investing in such situations.

Like everything, we wish we had a crystal ball to predict any outcome, but it is unfortunate that a lot of things have gone against the company but also a lot of mistakes have been made by in the last ten years

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Post ID: @OP+1o0HQ2CP

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re: Pension comment from 2022 annual report:

"On a worldwide basis, 3M’s pension and postretirement plans were 96 percent funded at year-end 2022. The primary U.S. qualified pension plan, which is approximately 70 percent of the worldwide pension obligation, was 97 percent funded and the international pension plans were 116 percent funded."

That doesn't mean they won't freeze it (I personally believe they're likely to freeze it soon), but existing obligations are well funded. A 3M bankruptcy would mean takeover by PBGC, which is a little scary as it's not as well funded as the 3M pension plan.

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@3lbe+1o0HQ2CP
Dividend will be reduced and bankruptcy is a real possibility. Massive casflow problem coming. Agree with everypoint except the pension funding. Pension - isn't the pension funded at 100% or close to it? Separate trust fund.

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Post ID: @3glz+1o0HQ2CP

@3lbe+1o0HQ2CP

$16.6 billion (that’s with a “B”) in debt.

A multitude of product lawsuits (i.e, PFAS, earplugs), conservatively estimated into the hundreds of billions (that’s with a “B”).

Billions in underfunded pension liabilities (that’s with a “B”).

Bankruptcy is a distinct possibility, irrespective of SpinCo or any other maneuver designed to to coverup illegal, immoral, and unethical activity.

Dismissive denial is not a tactic (that’s with a “D”).

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Post ID: @3sqt+1o0HQ2CP

Pretty hard to go bankrupt when you make billions with a B in profits. Don’t get caught up in the hype. They aren’t scuttling pensions and bankruptcy isn’t the next step after spinco.

Now could there be a sell off of businesses? Sure. We do that all day every day.

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Post ID: @3lbe+1o0HQ2CP

there will be 3 years minimum for remainco, it could take off again

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