How about Toyota and Honda?
Seems to be a Ford thing....
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I got cut recently, my next vehicle will be a Toyota. They don't owe me a job... I don't owe them my business.
Don't these Wizards of Smart running everything see a problem here?
If all the companies are moving their workforce and production out of the U.S., who is going to buy their overpriced junk?
STL has to hire from Low Cost Countries.
Canada, Mexico, Brazil, India, and Italy were on the list.
All external contract employees. If you had to get someone to be in the metro area that took VP sign off and again has to be external. Ive heard from a couple other managers that getting someone direct now is nearly impossible. I left 2 months ago and dont miss it.
90% of the work has been sh-t, late, or non existent. If they do get a local hire, its always someone green as grass. With good training your looking 3-6 months until they are useful. However the chain I was under gave 0 training which just overloaded the few that would try to train, but now have to manage two jobs. Absolute sh-t show.
I am in CAE in Chrysler for last 7 years.
They are not hiring any new personnel in US and replacing any new position in india.
At the same time, they wanna improve their CAE by 100% cutting testing by 50 %. :). Crazy drunk Italian and Franch leaders. Fun to listen to their BS.
I overlook a lot of work coming from india it's 70% to 80% percent wrong.
You just put the work in a presentation and show it, Just wait for the recalls.
Durability in particular is a disaster.
If you look at STLA stock over last years, you will understand that why these companies don't grow.
The plan is to stay here until they file bankruptcy (like Jeep in china) or get layoff and see our jobs move to India.
Anyway we have disengaged from 2021 just riding this sinking ship.
"The quality of work coming out of LCC is abysmal..."
Ford's Electronics Division tried moving some of their engineering down to Mexico back in the 90s. Didn't work out at all. They moved it back in a couple of years.
Of course, they got rid of their whole Electronics Division in 2000, and lost all of that experience.
True, however when the people running these companies figure that out, we will be in our 80's and 90's.
@1peo+1nyIlYCx Companies will quickly learn what those of us at the working level have known for a while. The quality of work coming out of LCC is abysmal and the volume of work is a fraction of what you get out of an employee in the US. You get what you pay for.
@yrj not clear how this relates. So the companies stayed here which was great for said white, Christian straight men. Does not change that in the 50s the income earning potential of a college educated black man (bearing in mind how hard that achievement was back then) was lower than a high-school educated white man. Lets not even start on what people had to put up with back then. Dreaming of the "wonderful" 50s and 60s is a great example of entitlement and not understanding how things were for those different than you.
How many companies moved out of the country in the 50's - 60's?
Soon we will stand together, UNITED in the unemployment line.
@mtf things may have been better in the 50s if you were a white, Christian, straight male. For everyone else, not so much.
Well, Tesla kind of moved its engineering to an LCC (more of an LSS anyway): from the "independent green tyranny" of Californication (that's how many businesses feel in there, where they are in Cali and the taxes and regulations do the fornication part), to the Lone Star State (LSS).
I heard Tesla is coming back to California, so maybe in 2 years FMC will come back to Dearborn.
@apr+1nyIlYCx, are you kidding me?? Complete nonsense, there is absolutely no regulation still in force from the auto bailouts, 15 years later. GM and Chrysler (who isn't even the same company any more) are not under any different regulation than Ford. Why would you even spread garbage like this? Absolutely no part of that bailout put any restrictions on either of them for anywhere near 15 years.
Stellantis and GM cannot due to the government bailout agreement.
Toyota and Honda and other foreign manufacturers will not because of the PR hit to their "but we are American made too" messaging.
Ford is unencumbered with government mandates around this because they didn't take the bailout money. And apparently they think that as long as the glass house is in Dearborn, no one will care about the rest of the company residing in LCCs.
Chrysler was talking about moving an entire platform over to TATA Motors back in 2007.
They were were on LCC, cost cutting and quality while the F-Executives were still in diapers !!!
Amazingly now the one 1-? is focusing on quality while cost cutting and de-contenting on their most profitable vehicles.
Do I get a new model just released with all the quality issues or wait for them to cut all the bling (bells & whistles) and resolve most of the quality issues??
Good point!!