You people are being taken advantage of and are too scared to stand up for yourselves. You need to stop being a victim and for goodness sake, form a union! Call it the Autoworkers Salaried Union or Ford Salaried Union. Someone needs to step up. Come on. Salaried engineers quietly pool some money and have a lawyer research what it takes and for goodness sakes, just do it!! Nobody on the UAW got laid off close to retirement and had these other horrible things happen to them that Ford did to salaried employees. Good golly. JF said that times have changed. I agree! Times have changed. Ford salaries employees are not to be abused.
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Some Stamping engineers tried that about 20 years ago. I don’t think it went well for them.
Too late as JF is in negotiation with Tesla to license their Full Self-Driving stack and other IP as Ford has been unable to develop their own. No need for engineers when you can license Tesla engineers work
Might want to wait until after the execs realize that low cost country sourcing isn't working out that well. I've not seen a US employee get replaced by another US employee in quite some time.
I think it's time to consider US engineers to unionize because foreign engineers are lobbying Congress hard for anti-american hiring policies. The Indian lobbiest group ITserve lobbied rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi of Illinois to push a bill to double H1-B to allow companies to hire a global workforce. If American engineers don't lobby for our jobs either through unionization or policy change, then layoffs of American engineers will only get worse.
https://www.thehansindia.com/news/international/massive-shortage-of-professionals-itserve-asks-us-govt-to-double-h1b-quota-810072
How many Americans are on the board of this organization?
https://itserve.org/
There is no voice standing up for American engineers, other countries are taking that wide open weakness to push through their policies.
My logic is perfect. I never indicated management would change. Where did u find that implication that management would change? 30 years is a long time. Only 8 out of the 30 years, the management was respectful and did what it was supposed to do.
We need some really mad dogs to fight with the mad dogs. That is the only logic.
@1qdd You pointed out the flaw in your own argument.
#1 this is not a normal management situation. Its a cluster-F from the top down. Unionizing the workforce will do nothing to affect d-mb strategic and poor leadership decisions.
#2 Giving the illusion of respect is the same slap in the face that you get now.
I have seen the unions in action and although their "mission statement" is admirable, in reality it is more akin to coercion and corruption than anything else. Noooooo thanks.
Do you really believe the UAW isn’t in the back pocket of the corporation?
Do you really believe the corporation isn't in the back pocket of the regime?
Do you really believe that the regime isn’t in the back pocket of the WEF and China?
You have been gamed and sold out.
It is way too late.
It is too late. US jobs will cease to exist in a few years.
Union is meant to balance management. However, union's seniority based protection is not an acceptable standard if one believes competition drives the growth of the overall society.
I am pro-competition and anti-discrimination. I don't believe in union but I think Ford engineers should form a union. The abusive behaviors of Ford management justify the protection with whatever side effects may come with the protection.
All this hand wringing about a salaried union is BS! You people dont realize the monster you would create if that came to pass. You complain about the slugs on the friends and family plan who get promoted. Dont you realize it would get worse if the union represented white collars? Take a walk through any plant or warehouse and really watch what goes on, you would be appalled. And dont give me any of that noise about fairness and JF makes too much money and the FLV's of the world would be gone and things would be much better. Things would NOT be better and then its too late to get rid of the union. Once they have their tentacles in, they are in forever.
Just like the old saying "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it".
I saw this one after posting - sorry, but it is more suitable here !
The strategy of always negotiating the contract when the lots are full, especially with EV's that no one wants places the union in a very weak position. Why wait always for the economy to drop like a rock to talk about wages and benefits. The companies do not follow the rules, why not do the negotiations with the upper hand and just start when the economy is strong.
Where and when is the union going to approach the white collar workforce?
Imagine, seniority actually mattering and not counting against you, a contract person not working for 10+ years and getting axed because the winds start blowing a different way, no more "free overtime" every week for the entire career, no working though your vacations, no standard 10+ hour workdays, having an actual pension, not getting fired because you are approaching retirement age, having the ability to retrain for a new type of work, not eating lunch while conducting meetings, not always being held back to find other opportunities in the company, not being let go on the next round because you applied for a job in a different department, not having to deal with a bad boss forever when you get one, having fair representation in performance reviews, being treated fairly, not being rated every quarter so they can get rid of you now four (4) times per year, not being replaced because the boss found someone half way around the world because they are paid less, still having a top achiever category so the hard work actually counts, not inheriting the work of folks that were laid off because management demands you do the work or you are the next one fired, being able to launch a vehicle without training the Brazilians' to take over your job and replace you when you are finished (all the PMTs), etc. the list could go on and on...
It's just too bad we have already went through countless reorganizations, thousands and thousands of high value job layoffs that were lost to LCC engineering and all the other hardships to get rid of the USA workers.
Unfortunately, it's too late. I would welcome any opportunity to hold a union card, support my fellow coworkers and would happily bring back the phrase "One-Ford".
Launchs were becoming ridiculous so a friend of mine tried to unionize the Mfg Engs. at VOGO to prevent further loss of pay and other benefits. There was this B in the department and she got really vocal, becoming the darling of management. In the end my friend got blackmailed and the B got promoted and remote work from Florida. This was about 20 years ago, and launches got worse, more alcoholism and divorce. My friend was not asking for much he just wanted to avoid going back to the 1960s launch model. Then things got worse when those congressmen got upset rhe the auto companies had jets to fly to their hearing. Seems like one from the company had the backbone to speak up and say that many of the planes ate used to flr launch teams and engineers between the plants and Dearborn.
I hope the union spanks Ford good. The management team is a bunch of F#$k^@g id!@ts.
I would disagree but I can't. Union retire healthcare is way better than my LL6 salaried retiree healthcare. My Dad's federal government pension is five times my Ford pension. I was SRDed with 24 years of service.
UAW already covers some salaried Ford CAD employees.
What, to protect the slackers? No thanks.
Are you not aware of the types of employees that unions protect from being fired?
I suppose if you want to be a dr-g addict drunk wife beater thief, then union is for you.
Like FLVs protection I suppose.....
This is overdue