Thread regarding 3M layoffs

If you being vetted as a CEO you would come under certain insurance provisions which require a background check. And say you are as arrogant as MV, you assume the record, like a speeding ticket has died, so you don’t pay attention….
And BO-M….

That website doesn't look too promising. How come when I search for the case # in MN Judicial Branch that case # doesn't exist?

I wonder after all the layoffs if they still have their fleet of private airplanes and private retreats for the executives?

What's new ?

Of course the 2001 charge is for our own Dr. Fale. That much is beyond any reasonable doubt.

The question now, is that is what got the next CEO thrown out like a stinky diaper ?

Or did Dr. Fale cook up some new chemistry in 2023, after the Q1,2023 results were declared ? We all know that he was a brilliant chemist and a supreme executive.

It’s definitely him. Here’s the same Mike Gerard vale at MIT

High oxidation state metal centers as sites for nitrogen fixation and reduction to ammonia 
Vale, Michael Gerard. (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1992

This is ridiculous. You’re all getting carried away. Stop ruining his life further than it’s already been ruined.

It says pr---------n not solicitation maybe mike was pi mp!ing himself out on the weekends. After all “curiosity is just the beginning”!!!

Whi are the four losers which downvoted the original post?

1. Soon to be con MV
2. Roman
3. Tireman
4. Lavers or Di-kson?

Agreed. As someone who watches too much Major Crimes and SVU, that underage s don’t fly with the PoPo. They woulda thrown the book at him.

To MVs credit, this was probably not an underage situation. Maybe a parlor. Maybe a sting with the police providing a fake ho---r. Not matter what, as white Sox announcer would say "he gone" so MV is out the door when he had numerous avenues to find a gal looking for a millionaire if his wife was leaving him.

Arrogant! And out the door. Thank goodness

It is not underage.

If this was truly underage then I am very concerned about our justice system. The fine was only $400. And why would that only be a misdemeanor??

The record states: PR---------N STATUTE 609.324.3

According to MN statutes:

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.324

609. 324 PATRONS; PROSTITUTES; HOUSING INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED IN PR---------N; PENALTIES.

Subdivision 1.Engaging in, hiring, or agreeing to hire minor to engage in pr---------n; penalties. (a) Whoever intentionally does any of the following may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 20 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both:
(1) engages in pr---------n with an individual under the age of 14 years;

(2) hires or offers or agrees to hire an individual under the age of 14 years to engage in se-ual penetration or se-ual contact; or

(3) hires or offers or agrees to hire an individual who the actor reasonably believes to be under the age of 14 years to engage in se-ual penetration or se-ual contact.

@1nlg+1mE0rLem

Look at the comment from @sof+1mE0rLem and the comment above this one as well.

Correction…that subdivision (3) was repealed, and may not be related to an underage victim:

“§Subd. 3. MS 2020 [Repealed, 1Sp2021 c 11 art 2 s 57]”

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.324

@1ukj+1mE0rLem
Look at the details… Solicitation of pr---------n UNDERAGE (14 and under).

I agree. It has to be a new charge. The termination of Vale has lead to another decline in share price - 3M would have known it would impact them adversely. If it was this old charge, they could have swept it under the carpet and most would be none the wiser.

It has to be something new, and they’re getting ahead of a new news story.

I’m sorry, but who cares what happened between two consenting adults over 20 years ago? Far more terrible things going on in the world. There has to be something more recent than this to justify such a public comment about inappropriate personal conduct and basically tanking someone’s career for the rest of their life when others get the “pursuing opportunities outside of 3M” line. Will be interesting to see if there’s anything else to this that will come to light over the coming weeks. Or if MR and MP did this to take the heat off of themselves for how much of a s—- show 3M is. Notice most aren’t talking about them much since this news hit. Hmm

Why can't it be an old charge eh ?

Once you are an 3M employee, your employer does not mandate a recurring background check.

So even though this is an old report, this must have come to light while they were vetting him after announcing his new role and getting him ready for the coronation ceremony, probably early next year.

If 3M had an efficient HR, they should have done this vetting or background check before the announcement. When they had found this piece of stinking to high heavens kind of news, they could have " negotiated" a Mike Vale leaving for other opportunities kind of exit, that is typically reserved for 3M royalty!

But we all know how our HR works, efficient and diligent they are not !

Thus 3M's top dogs and HR now has to deal with stinky rotten eggs, the likes of what they did not have to face ever.

Another possibility is frat boy Vale went out alone seeking something "exotic and entertaining " after the April 25th announcement and got caught red handed. Clearly announcing 6000 job cuts at Town Halls and proclaiming " we should have cut earlier" was not enough entertainment for him.

Perhaps that news is yet to break !

Next few days are going to be interesting!

Lots of speculation. It can’t be about an old charge in 2001. It has to be something new that was bad enough that they needed language that indicated when they knew and how quickly they reacted. It feels like something happened recently. Had to be something really gross for them to not let it slide like so many other times with so many people.

Let’s also take a moment to notice on 06/15/2001 he had a hearing for UNPAID FINES related to the crime. This is an unparalleled level of arrogance and stupidity. Good riddance.

First off, a lot has changed (much tighter monitoring and control of information) in the past 22 years.

Do I believe someone in 3M leadership heard about this one from a friend in law enforcement? Probably? But Vale was only a 9 year employee at the time and probably not the only guy working for 3M caught by one of the stings in those days.

He wasn't a big name yet. Plus, McNerney seemed more interested in promoting the 35 and under crowd and fast up ladder. He was quoted more than a few times early in his tenure about identifying "young" talent (read: around 35 and less).

I knew of a few people busted for drunk driving on a business trip in a rental car and it somehow never made it back to their leaders.

I highly doubt his family was told about it. What happens in garbage grove, stays in garbage grove, I guess (I personally call it cottage grove but heard some higher ups like Vale would use derogatory nicknames toward certain locations and functions they looked down on).

Either we had incompetent people vet him and they missed this. Or they found it and figured it was 22 years ago and the company is desperate for a new CEO.

The guys arrogance and disdain for the rest of us finally caught up with him. His life is totally ruined minus the wealth he did accumulate. Of course, if he is married (I don't know anything about his family) then the soon to be ex should make out a big winner vs. The big wiener.

I bet his attorney will try the old entrapment routine but it's still too late. He probably made half as much just being on the Toro board as we make in a year.

Jail time is a must. The little guy would get slammed by the justice system.

You think he may have found fun here -
https://escortalligator.com.listcrawler.eu/brief/escorts/usa/minnesota/minneapolis

I think the 2001 record is right, but prob not why he was fired. Was able to berify multiple records on there and the info was very accurate. But he prob got caught with a lady of the night over the weekend

This is interesting, but not the reason he was fired. Please link to the actual court records so we can verify this 2001 case.

It all checks out alright.

To the diligent internet slueth who did the work, Kudos to you.

Well done in outing a corporate creep and a shark. Disgusting. I guess he was living 3M's values for the last 22 years.

3M should wipe out all his previous town hall videos from the past. Enough listening to Vale's lectures.

Age matches up. Living location and timing matches up. Same name including middle initial. Just think, a business trip from Austin to MSP and he was "lonely", then busted... Never told the company in hopes it would not come to light, plead guilty, went on probation, paid his fine and moved along in his career as a "leader". No reason for 3M to do a background check at that point in his career.

So, either something else happened recently (plus this skeleton coming to light) and we will hear in the coming days/weeks OR they performed a background check as part of his new role as he was basically the CEO in waiting and this showed up... Zero chance at that point he would continue to be an employee as he had deceived the company and ethics are such a critical part of 3Ms DNA.

No way ALL of this could be a coincidence...

@flm+1mE0rLem

There are a few different ages being reported for Vale, from 53 to 55. The court records say he will be 56 this year, and looking at his Linkedin profile and working back when he graduated from college (1988, I assume he graduated when he was 21), that would place him at 56 years this year. So the age does match up based on his own Linkedin profile. And he was based in Austin TX in 2001 as an MBB.

Great find! It’s going to be a wait and see game on what happened here.

This wasn’t inappropriate in 2001? He continued to work for 3M for 22 additional years after this guilty outcome according to those archived records shared in the link.

If company resources such as computer or phone were used to engage in an illegal activity maybe that breaks a company police or gives leverage for that “against company policy clause” but otherwise how would w same or similar charge (if that’s what comes out) intersects with company policy? Ideas?

We sure this the same Vale? Age doesn’t appear to match

Fired over a 25 yr old misdemeanor? Between consenting adults? This has to be bs

That is not 3. 3 is this

Subd. 3.General pr---------n crimes; penalties for patrons. (a) Whoever, while acting as a patron, intentionally does any of the following is guilty of a misdemeanor:
(1) engages in pr---------n with an individual 18 years of age or older; or
(2) hires, offers to hire, or agrees to hire an individual 18 years of age or older to engage in se-ual penetration or se-ual contact. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 4, a person who is convicted of violating this paragraph must, at a minimum, be sentenced to pay a fine of at least $500.

Correction…that subdivision (3) was repealed, and may not be related to an underage victim:

“§Subd. 3. MS 2020 [Repealed, 1Sp2021 c 11 art 2 s 57]”

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.324

Somebody scour the Chris Hansen "To Catch a Predator" tapes! Might find more execs.

Laws have definitely changed, I mean enforced more strongly. If he got off with a fine and probation 22 years ago and the age profile checks out, stunning that authorities let this go off so easily. I guess Jarod the Subway guy and Epstein have finally changed the tolerance for the better.

From reading the late 2022 bust, the charges carry up to 5 years in prison. I sure hope this time the rich and powerful get hit as hard as Joe Blow would have. The mugshot and prison pose hopefully send an example to the next exec who thinks they're above the law because they seem to be above any corporate policies.

A very critical tidbit which should not be overlooked…he was charged under subsection (3) of the statute, the relevant portion is repeated below:

“(3) hires or offers or agrees to hire an individual who the actor reasonably believes to be under the age of 14 years to engage in se-ual penetration or se-ual contact.”

He likes ‘em young.

As hard as it is to find silver linings at 3M these days, I guess him not becoming CEO is one. I'll drink to that!

Also shows Austin TX as his home. So this guy was on a frigging business trip and got stung by woodbury and garbage grove police?

Goes to show people that mcnerney wanted young talent to promote and could have cared less about morals!

I do not know what to think but I am not surprised. This is a company that tolerates bad behavior (really, really bad behavior) by those in the "inner circle" but attacks someone if they make a small mistake. It is no wonder why misogyny is tolerated at 3M. Unfortunately, if you are a woman you are held to a different standard.

Am not at all surprised - am maybe surprised there aren't more cases!