Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cisco, a very big company, but never felt this lonely.

Been 2 years. It's a big company, but never have I felt this lonely before.
Unlike other tech companies I previously worked, employees at Cisco are so cold, evasive, unfriendly. I of course know that a company is not a place to make friends, but I don't even have anyone whom I can have just a casual conversation or whom I can talk freely. I don't have anyone, not a single coworker I can trust, feeling like if I talk to someone just to have a small chat, I'm so scared that he/she will report to my manager or Employee Relations, saying that I had said something real bad to him/her (by making up) to frame me eventually to get rid of me.

Am I being paranoid or have you ever felt the same?

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Post ID: @OP+1lei6Qfh

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"I can then take Cisco's health benefits with me under the Retiree Medical Access Plan (RMAP)."

You will be disappointed. Cobra is cheaper.

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Post ID: @7asp+1lei6Qfh

I have always found people at Cisco generally friendly and professional. There is the odd BS'er here and there but generally people are good. Even my first line manager is helpful and cheerful. It is the politics above that where it all starts to go South. I want no part of all that and just keep my head down and do my job for my remaining time before I retire and just nod along to whatever they say (and ignore it).

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Post ID: @5opq+1lei6Qfh
Take your hate and cynicism somewhere else! If you ever talked to a tenured employee you'd realize that they continue to instill the culture that Cisco was once known for, are motivated, are passionate, do have skills and do stay because they've been happy at the company and have established long term relationships that are worth keeping.

What a cr---y comment. So cr---y. Sick!
They continue to instill the culture? Oh pls stop instilling! Didn't you realize that has been ruining the company culture? If you wanna instill the culture, go away to another company and instill there!

They have established long term relationships that are worth keeping? OMG! Totally misunderstood. Established long-term relationships with whom? Now those relationships are damaging the company culture and make it so toxic! It's not worth keeping it at all. Pls stop! So stupid. Just leave!

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I just can't believe a guy working at Cisco for 24 years. I can't believe people working at the same company for such a long long long years. Why? I don't understand. A guy like him IS causing all those probs - toxic, political envirnmt and culture, no motivation, no passion, no skill, no expert on anything, totally useless outside the company. A guy like him is just generating bad effects on talented people joining from other tech companies.

Take your hate and cynicism somewhere else! If you ever talked to a tenured employee you'd realize that they continue to instill the culture that Cisco was once known for, are motivated, are passionate, do have skills and do stay because they've been happy at the company and have established long term relationships that are worth keeping. Anyone younger than a Boomer wouldn't know anything about loyalty and I'm guessing you're one of those.

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Post ID: @4itn+1lei6Qfh
Keep whining losers, go to zcaler , palo and see how you fare there

Do they also have Principal Software Engineers who can't comprehend the Pigeonhole Principle and Technical Leaders who can only write one line printf checkins, some of which won't even compile? Do their development branches complete nightly builds less than three times a month?

See Dunning-Kruger Effect, Dilbert Principle, et al. for further information.

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Post ID: @4zsc+1lei6Qfh
dont be jealous you cant hack 20 plus years in a company like Cisco, assume this guy is good at what he does, understands the politics and has been lucky to survive the yearly layoffs. Someone says they have been at Cisco for 20 plus years as a point they shouldnt be messed with, probably have a nice underground network built, and can pull favors if need be, so you should be afraid of them not bashing them. Keep whining losers, go to zcaler , palo and see how you fare there

Having seen all those comments made by 20+ year layabouts here or there, it's clear that they are simply fossils. They're almost like local or state govt officials with no skill, no expert on anything.

Working at one company for decades is just being LAZY. They are WAY behind the times! jealous? Don't make me laugh! I look down on them. I don't want to be like them.

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Post ID: @4ifz+1lei6Qfh

dont be jealous you cant hack 20 plus years in a company like Cisco, assume this guy is good at what he does, understands the politics and has been lucky to survive the yearly layoffs. Someone says they have been at Cisco for 20 plus years as a point they shouldnt be messed with, probably have a nice underground network built, and can pull favors if need be, so you should be afraid of them not bashing them. Keep whining losers, go to zcaler , palo and see how you fare there

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Post ID: @3iwh+1lei6Qfh
Then there’s the small issue of Cisco donating $300m to these causes over 5 years.

OMG! Cisco donated $300m to social justice causes over 5 years! Stop the presses! Time to update the headlines and print new newspapers because Cisco donated $300m over 5 years. $60m / year is chump change to a company with billions in cash. It's a rounding off error in our total balance sheet.

It's simply a tax write off. Cisco makes lots of donations to lots of groups, and even politicians. Every company out there donates money every year to all sorts of things, many of which people don't like. Chick-fil-A was donating $10M per year to anti-LGBTQ groups, buy hey, that's OK because it's not a social justice group right?

Go somewhere else to spread your hate.

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Post ID: @3sjr+1lei6Qfh

True, I’m still a TME, but had three (or even four?) quite distinctive roles in 16 years.

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Post ID: @3qfs+1lei6Qfh
I can hardly ever say, "I have worked at Cisco for 24 years" to anyone, not even to my friends or family.

That's because you've only been there a year. And with the attitude of the rest of your comment, I'll be glad to see you move on. Hurry up if you don't like it here.

I would feel too ashamed to say such a thing. At normal companies these days, people with long-tenure are considered that they have some problem, there's something wrong with them.

How old are you? How much work experience do you have that you are such a great judge of what "normal companies" are?

Throughout his/her career in anyone's life, people need to change! Get a life!

Anyone I know at Cisco who's employee/badge # is a five-digit # has had many different roles at Cisco and worked on many different teams. You don't get to stick around from the late '90's & early '00's to now and not have had change.

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Post ID: @3oka+1lei6Qfh
talking about social justice matters…topic to avoid

Not any more, it’s actually beneficial to proclaim your virtue. It’s not mandatory yet (like it is in academia) but it’s becoming a thing. I checked the wwwin page the other day, and 6 of the top 8 stories were on social Justice activism.
Then there’s the small issue of Cisco donating $300m to these causes over 5 years.

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Post ID: @3omp+1lei6Qfh
I have worked at Cisco for 24 years and in many different teams. Overall, I have experienced good camaraderie with my co-workers and have established several long-term and meaningful relationships, and on many occasions I have genuinely felt my teammates had my back. This is what Cisco's culture is (or was) all about. Granted, things have changed since we all started WFH, but overall I think that culture is still there. You just have to find it.

OMG! Since I came to Cisco last year, I've seen lots of employees boasting of his long tenure and have seen folks who admire them. Give me a break!

I can hardly ever say, "I have worked at Cisco for 24 years" to anyone, not even to my friends or family. I would feel too ashamed to say such a thing. At normal companies these days, people with long-tenure are considered that they have some problem, there's something wrong with them.

Throughout his/her career in anyone's life, people need to change! Get a life!

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Post ID: @3niv+1lei6Qfh
I have worked at Cisco for 24 years and in many different teams. Overall, I have experienced good camaraderie with my co-workers and have established several long-term and meaningful relationships, and on many occasions I have genuinely felt my teammates had my back. This is what Cisco's culture is (or was) all about. Granted, things have changed since we all started WFH, but overall I think that culture is still there. You just have to find it.

I just can't believe a guy working at Cisco for 24 years. I can't believe people working at the same company for such a long long long years. Why? I don't understand. A guy like him IS causing all those probs - toxic, political envirnmt and culture, no motivation, no passion, no skill, no expert on anything, totally useless outside the company. A guy like him is just generating bad effects on talented people joining from other tech companies.

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Post ID: @3msz+1lei6Qfh

Get your a-s out of your WFH office and meet with your colleagues once in a while.

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Post ID: @2vnx+1lei6Qfh

I have worked at Cisco for 24 years and in many different teams. Overall, I have experienced good camaraderie with my co-workers and have established several long-term and meaningful relationships, and on many occasions I have genuinely felt my teammates had my back. This is what Cisco's culture is (or was) all about. Granted, things have changed since we all started WFH, but overall I think that culture is still there. You just have to find it.

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Post ID: @2ntk+1lei6Qfh

It may be a madhouse in many ways but collegue wise it is one of the few reasons to remain. We make jokes in our team and even have each other backs. I hope you land in a better team soon

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Post ID: @2pun+1lei6Qfh

It depends on the team. I worked on teams where everyone was close and others where interaction throughout the entire team was nothing more than than the minimum required by the job. I didn’t think the latter were bad people but the former always had a few key people who could bring everyone else into a conversation.

As for people trash talking you behind your back, they won’t need input from you to keep that going. As with any social setting, think about what you are saying and be willing to stand by your convictions. There is such a thing as a mismatch which isn’t one party’s fault and if it becomes clear you’d be better off somewhere else be open to making a change to improve your situation.

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Post ID: @2hbn+1lei6Qfh

No. It has its flaws but cold evasive teammates and colleagues is about as far from my experience as you can get.

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Post ID: @1pgg+1lei6Qfh

I remember Csco had basketball, golf and tennis teams. As a former NCAA college athlete I had fun playing and competing under Cisco banner in Bay Area leagues for a decade esp the tennis team.

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Post ID: @1ozl+1lei6Qfh

what is a comment, OP?

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Post ID: @1mwp+1lei6Qfh

Whaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

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Post ID: @alm+1lei6Qfh
I'm so scared that he/she will report to my manager or Employee Relations, saying that I had said something real bad to him/her (by making up) to frame me eventually to get rid of me.

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Am I being paranoid [...]?

Yes, you are.

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Post ID: @dvu+1lei6Qfh

OP, that sounds like a very toxic team if it's a real situation and you're not just trolling or very paranoid. Surely you don't try to talk politics or religion in the office, because that's just asking to have your head put on a chopping block. Maybe now talking about social justice matters and vaccination issues are topics to avoid, but those fall under the political umbrella. Another topic I like to avoid is 2A, although most of my teammates are pew pew owners. None of them, at least to my knowledge, felt so strongly about 2A that they'd bring a pew pew to the office. If they carried, they left it locked in their cars and never said a word about having it on Cisco property, which is what anyone should do if they're going to violate Cisco policy.

I've been on 3 teams at Cisco and none have been like what you describe. My current team has moved into the same BU that I was originally part of from back in the early 2000's when Chambers liked to say we're a family. I was impressed by the number of people at an all-hands in-person event that had a catered social hour afterwards that came up to me to catch up on old times. We haven't talked/emailed in years because our paths or work hasn't caused us to need to interact.

My middle team would message out that we were going to lunch every day & all who were free & wanted to go would meet in the lobby and we'd decide where we were going that day. Once there, we'd talk sports, current events, and stuff we were doing the next weekend. About 1/3 of the team was cyclists, so we'd talk about upcoming ride events and see how many of us to could participate to see if we could get a Cisco sponsorship to pay the entry fees, or plan an after work/weekend training ride to get ready for events, etc.

My current team is completely remote, even before the pandemic sent everyone out of the offices. Yes, we're not "friends" in the sense that we hang out together after work, but we're friendly in that we are willing to cover for each other if someone is out sick, on PTO, is having a family emergency, etc. We know that when we need to be away for several days, someone will go the extra mile to handle issues so no one has to reach out and ask us about work issues while we're out. It's certainly not the back-stabbing env that you describe.

Have I met individuals I didn't like? Were there people that have said things, in person or via email, that I felt were inappropriate for work? Are there people who don't like me? Yes, yes, and yes. But I've never experience feeling what you're describing.

The majority of Cisco employees and contractors are just that, people who work at the same company I do. A group of 100-200 people are what I'd call co-workers that I deal with on a recurring basis, be it once a year or once a day and they're just that, co-workers. Then there's my team and the teams that I deal closely with on a regular basis who are more than co-workers, but I still wouldn't call them "friends". They're more associates and peers and we have a fair amount of respect for each other. Then there's the few people on my team, or people that I've met through whatever interaction that are friends because we have common beliefs or interests. Like I said, I bike so there's that group. I like Anime & know some people who cosplay, so we've become friends. There's people that like to DIY or work on cars, so we've become friendly enough to share tips and/or tools, or help each other out on difficult projects.

You can make friends, and enemies, at Cisco, like any other company. It just depends on how personable you are. I think many people who were more introverted before the office shutdown have just stopped trying to pretend to be extraverted and just want people to give them space and leave them alone. As an extravert, as you can tell by this very long reply, I have to respect their wishes. Anyone who doesn't give a sh-t about this probably didn't read this far, and that's ok.

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Post ID: @xuz+1lei6Qfh

Definitely a you problem or your department sucks. Cisco has its issues but the culture is generally pretty good

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Post ID: @ncz+1lei6Qfh

Generally speaking I exchange pleasantries with my coworkers when appropriate but I don't "pal around" with anyone anymore.

Back when I started my career nobody worried about engaging in locker room banter with your coworkers. It's a shame, but these days everybody has been indoctrinated into being a sniveling beta male dork who won't hesitate to go crying to HR momma at the first opportunity.

Nowadays it's best to just smile, nod your head and move along.

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Post ID: @uli+1lei6Qfh
Sorry, its just you. I made a ton of good friends in Cisco

I know you keep coming back here to check in all those negative threads, and put all those lies to root for the company, representing HR. Sad...

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Post ID: @yxb+1lei6Qfh

Sorry, its just you. I made a ton of good friends in Cisco

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