Thread regarding IBM layoffs

The real reason for the 90 day severance

For those saying the 90 days pay is better than before when you received 30 days, are missing the point. No matter how you slice this, the cost to IBM is the same; 120 days.

Prior: 90 days notification with that period time to look for an internal job. Riiight. Then 30 days severance.
Now: 30 days to look for a job. 90 days severance.

Cost to IBM, given they knew there are no internal jobs, 120 days.

So why make the change? Simple. More incentive for you to sign the agreement and give up the right to sue.

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This is bad advice. Federal law requires IBM to provide the number of people let go and their ages. If that is highly skewed and you have a legit discrimination case. Before signing anything you should reach out to this firm Lichten & Liss-Riordan, P.C. they have won many settlements against IBM. Don't just lay down and give up Fight back and make them pay

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Post ID: @2rzq+1lZabb5q

AIX was offshored and ALL the non fluff AIX positions have remained open and unfulfilled.

So if you're not eligible for a formal "Bridge to Retirement" then go for one of the AIX positions as you'll probably get hired - and have a few years before it goes to contractors or sold.

There are others. So for any-geo skills match - if the job posting age is "old" - then those managers won't get resources unless they pick "us" up - even if not in GEO.

For example a while back I was immediately BOT rejected for an offshore application - but now (end of March / April) BOT is not automatically rejecting my offshore applications.

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Post ID: @2moz+1lZabb5q

There is no lawsuit. The McDonald Douglas framework or the "but for" framework of a lawsuit will be defeated , in my opinion.
Age is a factor if there is no company wide resource action. "But for" is a factor if there is no company wide employee reduction.
The right to work has about three exceptions and one where the letter you received is "you are permanently" part of the resource reduction will not survive the scrutiny of age discrimination just because you are over 40 when you were told you were "permanenly" selected to not work for IBM anymore.

Anyone thinking they are going to sue, should Google Supreme court decisions and appeals court decisions regarding the McDonnell Douglas framework and the "but for" framework of age discrimination lawsuits and see how you will not survive it with the letter and the information on how the selections were made.
A company can legally law off workers and IBM has shown it will do it across the corporation body
Re-read the resource action notice.
IBM Legal has it covered, in my opinion.
That means not eligible for rehire, permanent means permanent.
It means not eligible for reassignment or to be selected for another position within the company.
Take the money, go back to school, get certified in some skill and apply at another company.
Technology changes and so does many other skilled areas. Learning to communicate in this new environment using proper pronouns and excluding use of certain past beliefs is key and currently being taught to the younger generation who replace older generations.
I am not typing this to anger anyone.
I do suggest anyone thinking of refusing to accept the severance payment consider how they will feel when there is no attorney that will touch suing IBM when the layoffs were company wide, every department, every age, every span of years worked, where a company is not required to keep older workers just because they have a lot of them

I bid you a better future as you start on a journey no one wants to take.

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Post ID: @2eue+1lZabb5q

When IBM acquired Redhat on 7/9/2019, IBM held a news conference to make the announcement. During that announcement IBM said they had mapped the business opportunity for the fortune 1100 as it relates to Redhat. This week is the fulfillment of that strategy. IBM is/has offshored almost everything they can (development, consulting, support, technical assistance, etc etc) and now they are downsizing to support the fortune 1100. Ask yourself how many folks does it take to market to, and support 1100 customers? The answer is a whole lot less than there currently are. I expect IBM to get down to 45-50k in NA, 25-30k in Europe, 20-25k in Asia, and 105-115k in India. Total headcount will be 200-215k

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Post ID: @tbv+1lZabb5q

True, IBM does NOT want you to find a job internally. Maybe some of the RA'd TA folks can confirm this. The word is that the TA folks treat you like a leper once you get tainted with the RA. Karma, baby.

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Post ID: @xjv+1lZabb5q

You are correct 120 days = 120 days. There may be a slightly different reason for the offers. The 90/30 offer said IBM still needed workers and choose to farm internally first. That doesn’t mean there were a lot of openings, but there were some. The 30/90 offer Sid IBM has decided to shrink and there are no job openings now or into the future. IBM headcount within NA is going to shrink, and shrink a lot

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