Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

What Might Have Been

Nice N&O article. May 19th; I had missed it.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article306489106.html

What Goodnight’s decision to keep SAS private has meant for its workers and Cary

By Brian Gordon

Updated May 19, 2025 8:25 AM

I’m Brian Gordon, tech reporter for The News & Observer, and this is Open Source, a weekly newsletter on business, labor and technology in North Carolina.

SAS Institute turns 50 next year, and for more than half its lifetime, the media (and employees) have asked whether the giant analytics provider will ever go public.

“Personally, I don’t want the hassle of running a public company,” Jim Goodnight, SAS cofounder and CEO, told The N&O in 1995. “It would ruin my life.”

Goodnight’s ongoing decision to keep SAS private has shaped the company that — more than any other — has shaped the town of Cary. A two-thirds owner, Goodnight made his business into a model for work-life-balance, earning SAS accolades for its 35-hour work weeks, on-site child care, housing options, free M&Ms, and a resident pianist playing in the cafeteria. The company was known for hiring couples who would commute together with their kids. Former Cary Mayor Koka Booth worked at SAS, and current Cary Mayor Harold Weinbrecht Jr. spent a career there, too.

“Some employees now live, work and shop almost entirely in what some called SASland,” The N&O wrote in 1996.

Today, SAS says it’s again readying to go public, a pledge the company has made before. In 2000, Goodnight predicted the company would likely hit the market within 12 to 18 months. His motivation, he said, was to keep workers from jumping to the upstart internet companies that dangled lucrative stock options.

SAS brought in Andre Boisvert to complete the IPO and soon named him president and COO. Yet within a few months, Boisvert abruptly resigned when Goodnight’s interest in going public faded. “I wouldn’t want any of these young kids on Wall Street running my company,” Goodnight said in 2002, dismissing the appeal of the stock market.

“My goal in life is to minimize taxes — make our bottom line as small as possible,” he also said that year. “I always thought that was the American way — not inflating earnings.” Two years later, Goodnight told USA Today “we were never really close” to going public.

What was lost in this decision? A few years earlier, the IPO of the Raleigh software provider Red Hat made several local employees overnight millionaires. Some Red Hat executives then invested their windfalls to start tech companies — which spawned other local businesses nicknamed “Red Hat’s grandkids.” SAS workers have never enjoyed the financial jolt that comes with holding shares during a successful public offering.

But others argued staying private allowed SAS to remain SAS. The expenses that landed SAS on “Best Places to Work” lists — childcare, gourmet lunches, 35-hour work weeks — could have run counter to investor demands.

“It would have destroyed the culture,” Al Segars of the UNC business school said in 2004. “It was one of the best strategic decisions ever made in the software industry.”

Now, the man who never seemed that thrilled about going public once again says SAS is preparing for the stock market. Some of the reasons the company gives in 2025 are similar to what was said 25 years ago, like offering employees stock options, attracting talent and raising SAS’ profile.

In an email to The N&O, SAS spokesperson Shannon Heath said the 82-year-old Goodnight also seeks the stock market “for succession planning to position the company for long-term growth.”

“We know that we will be an attractive investment for investors,” Heath wrote in an email. “Few companies have made it to the 50-year mark, but even fewer have done it how we have, which is debt free and profitable since day one.”

When investors will get the chance to prove SAS right or wrong is unclear. A promise to IPO in 2024 has passed. A subsequent aim to reach the market this year is now unlikely.

So don’t hold your breath on SAS ever becoming a public company. Then again, SAS is starting to consider life after Goodnight — and its next step will be worth tracking.

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@gh The SAS Utopia did live up to the hype, for the first few decades.

Then, other companies began offering similar benefits.

Then, SAS began reducing benefits.

Now those times are a memory for older folks, a myth for younger ones.

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Post ID: @jw+1jz5y3e48

@gh "designer blowjobs"? I spend over 20 years of my career at SAS and never got one of those. Damn.

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Post ID: @j8+1jz5y3e48

I get tired of the myth of the free haircuts, gourmet lunches, and designer blowjobs. We had to pay for that sh-t. The myth of the SAS Utopia doesn't live up to the hype when you reality test benefits packages against organizations that are not SAS.

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Post ID: @gh+1jz5y3e48

Ms. Heath is paid to say such things. We can’t blame her for doing her job.

But SAS would have been a much more attractive investment 25 years ago, when an IPO was first proposed.

Outside investors would have made different decisions. They surely would have “destroyed the culture”, but they might have given SAS more marketable products today.

It is the road not taken.

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Post ID: @fj+1jz5y3e48

“We know that we will be an attractive investment for investors,” … hysterical, simply hysterical

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Post ID: @dy+1jz5y3e48

@ab JMP does not preserve the culture. During the pandemic stimulus, about a quarter of their non-statistical developers left for other jobs.

Ms. Heath pointed out the one factor driving an IPO now versus 2000: the need for succession planning.

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Post ID: @dx+1jz5y3e48

The only "SAS Grandkids" are the progeny of the Secret Love Children.

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Post ID: @cb+1jz5y3e48

The article mentions SAS culture and how a sale or IPO would ki-l the culture. Let's be honest. .The Art Department and JMP are the only two areas that have kept their grasp on the once great culture. Elsewhere, it is a culture of every man/woman for themself.

The most impactful nugget in that article is the speculation of whether SAS will ever go public. SAS sure seems analogous to the Cleveland Browns. Alot of sizzle but no steak. Viya sounds great in the marketing blubs but fails to move the revenue needle.

A sale or IPO is possible. Most anything is possible. More likely is that the heirs will deal with SAS. How they decide to do that is anybody's guess. No one know what they will do, but a safe guess is that it won't be more of the same.

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Post ID: @ab+1jz5y3e48

Here, pull this one. It has bells on it!

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