Heard from some of my friends in Catalyst engineering that the vp is planning to call back folks 4 days in the office, monday to thursday. Why do execs think what works for them will work for others? Do you think this will work for them, and what's your opinion on this?
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as a Cisco employee, she was also making 33% less than someone with the same experience at any other company, so this is the tradeoff
At ANY other company? Or the handful of top companies with more money than brains that have to throw most people out onto the street after 1-3 years?
For the Cisco people who can't do elementary school math, if A equals 2/3 of B then B is 3/2 of A, meaning if "she" went to "any other company" "she" would have been making 50% more money. "She" seems profoundly stupid.
Turns out, while we thought she was just doing school pickups and tea time, she was actually working full-time as a Cisco engineer behind the scenes.
Nothing in either post suggests "she" was working full time at anything and clearly deserved to be laid off.
Welcome to a legacy company. You are the people with the shovels and buckets following the horses that walked before you in the parade. This is the career you've chosen therefore you only have yourself to blame. When you leave easy money on the table that money is not compounding and you'll be sponging off those mythical kids "she" drove to school when no one else will employ you.
'want me to focus 100% on work issues from 9-5 instead of intermixing personal stuff from 10-2? then bring me back to an industry-standard pay curve '
If anyone says something like that during a review, you can bet you will be gone next opportunity. It would take every ounce of strength not to ask you to tender your resignation on the spot. I could care less about your visa or your family. That's entitlement. If you are worth more - leave. You won't have a problem finding a job, right?
If I do the work assigned to me on time and well, why should where I do the work from matter (excepting for tax and legal considerations).
It depends on the job. Engineering requires far more communications between people than Cisco has ever done which is why Cisco spends most of their development dollars trying to fix issues of requirements, design and implementation after chips, boards and software are done wrong when it's the most expensive and most time consuming point to get things right. Telepresence is nice for a chat but real work is done far better face to face with all the distractions removed.
All I can see here is that "Someone misused WFH to slack off from work, so WFH is bad".
Do you guys really think if it was in office, they would have worked diligently? Slackers will find a way to slack off no matter the circumstances. Plus, if she was not doing any work assigned to her, why wasn't that never monitored or reviewed? Was there no work assignments or target projects and deadlines? What was the manager doing?
And if it is the case that she was working and finishing off all tasks assigned to her on time, then who cares how she uses the time?
Are you paid to be a seat warmer or to complete the projects assigned to you?
If getting "back to normal" is going back to the office, I would say let us all go back to factories. That was the "normal" some years back.
What I see here is just a bunch of folks sour on seeing improving working conditions, and want to hinder technological advancement and progress. Or people who work in tech but doesn't know how to use it.
If I do the work assigned to me on time and well, why should where I do the work from matter (excepting for tax and legal considerations).
She joined every school event, enjoyed afternoon tea, and was always out grocery shopping
as a Cisco employee, she was also making 33% less than someone with the same experience at any other company, so this is the tradeoff
I do my grocery shopping on Cisco time and I'm not even shy about it, I tell all my colleagues in meetings and encourage them to do the same (in meetings, with "the boss" listening)
want me to focus 100% on work issues from 9-5 instead of intermixing personal stuff from 10-2? then bring me back to an industry-standard pay curve
That's why need office work, these are people who took advantage of hard working peoples in the office.
As I keep pointing out, it wasn't the deadwood who checked in so many bugs that the vast majority of the development budget had to go to bug fixing, causing good people to deal with that instead of actually making stuff work right the first time. Working hard badly is worse than deadwood.
There was a lady in our neighborhood who, for years( 5~7), everyone thought was a stay-at-home mom and full-time housewife. She joined every school event, enjoyed afternoon tea, and was always out grocery shopping. One day, she got laid off—and only then did we find out she was actually a blue badge Cisco engineer. Turns out, while we thought she was just doing school pickups and tea time, she was actually working full-time as a Cisco engineer behind the scenes.
That's why need office work, these are people who took advantage of hard working peoples in the office.
I will speak to the VSP, he lives in my neighborhood and we talk often. Will update who is for and who against wfo setup.
Work in the office mandate is ideal. But they need to put cameras in the work place to confirm those that we know don’t carry their workload. Tell us how many in your group falls in this category.
There was a lady in our neighborhood who, for years( 5~7), everyone thought was a stay-at-home mom and full-time housewife. She joined every school event, enjoyed afternoon tea, and was always out grocery shopping. One day, she got laid off—and only then did we find out she was actually a blue badge Cisco engineer. Turns out, while we thought she was just doing school pickups and tea time, she was actually working full-time as a Cisco engineer behind the scenes.
The best performers are in the office. That's the reality of engineering. Full stop.
I feel any sort of mandate will only push the best people away. It would be a short sighted move by the exec, and will be visible in a few years when all the best performers jump ship