Thread regarding Saudi Aramco layoffs

Truly toxic management is usually there to hide the truth

Some bosses, Saudi and Expat, are much worse than others. I learned how much top management values a team by seeing what kind of leader they assign to lead it. There are truly toxic bosses at Aramco that have been around for a long time. Everybody seemed well aware of the destruction they brought to the teams they lead. I heard that these managers have connections in the government, so Aramco has to employ them. However, they didn't need to be put in charge of anything important. Yet, they were put in charge of what most Western companies would consider important areas. Why?

I used to think the people at the top of Aramco were insane, but then I realized the role that toxic managers play. They give the top management plausible deniability when things go wrong and they suppress inconvenient truths by driving away competent people who point them out. I consider a classic example of this to be the fire at Radium where Aramco admitted to 11 deaths. The WSJ reported that company inspectors found major life-safety problems and that the building shouldn't be occupied. That report was done by a competent inspector, and the fact that it was not followed up on made Aramco's management look bad. Do you really think that management wants another report like that lying around for the press the next time a major disaster happens?

The Expats that I saw surviving in teams with toxic leaders did so by focusing on small details that did not matter. They would ignore what were obviously major problems and point out only minor issues. To take the Radium example further, if the Expat saw water from the air conditioning unit was dripping on the electrical substation in the garage creating a fire risk, his report would recommend painting the hand rails in the stairway yellow for greater visibility.

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Post ID: @OP+1jk1sah9k

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@572 spot on analysis!

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Post ID: @1str+1jk1sah9k

Aramco management is a giant scheme of ‘fake it til you make it’.

But 99% of the times they never ‘make it’, so they just have to keep faking it.

Incompetence -> poor results -> lies & coverups -> even poorer results -> even bigger lies & coverups

Until something totally breaks beyond repair. “Fake it til you break it”.

Then you do a major reorganization, people get promoted, problems disappear, the cycle repeats.

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Post ID: @1srh+1jk1sah9k

I have worked under these exact kinds of managers. They change their minds on a daily basis. They have no actual opinion on anything, they lack the capacity for any rational opinion. They cannot think for themselves. Like any competent person I take notes in meetings, I then often play these back to my manager in our 121s as a mechanism to protect my own position from exploitation. The guy literally lies in everything he does, but like any serial cheat, he’s lost track of them, and contradicts himself all the time.

The company has legions of individuals that operate in this manner, if you are landed with one your existence in aramco will be unrewarding and pointless.

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Post ID: @572+1jk1sah9k

Spot on from the OP.

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Post ID: @pv+1jk1sah9k

👋🏿 bye-bye

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Post ID: @n4+1jk1sah9k

No, I don't get that impression. IMO opinion I feel that he is being quite honest. As he sees the issues.

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Post ID: @c3+1jk1sah9k

Let's be honest here, you have a problem with Saudis.

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Post ID: @bx+1jk1sah9k

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