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US Companies Are Avoiding H1B Visa, Hiring Remote Workers Due To Trump's Swearing-in

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With Donald Trump's swearing-in approaching, both US employers and foreign workers are preparing for possible changes to the contentious H-1B visa program. According to a recent Newsweek report, many US companies are choosing to hire remote workers in order to bypass the complexities of the visa process.

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Post ID: @14e+1jhwqaw2a
Things are going to change soon. We have enough us citizens with computer science degrees and engineering degrees.

Many of those degrees aren't worth the paper they were printed on, and for the past 40 years our most valued companies built platforms for exhibitionists and voyeurs to come together while every aspect is recorded for advertising purposes. A lot of the nation's brain power moved on to create corrupt financial instruments.

The only reason we lead these developments was because military goals drove massive amounts of government funding into computing and networking resources for secondary and higher education so we had a trained workforce to commercialize those technologies when it became feasible. In a world economy that barrier of the US being able to spend its way into and maintain a leadership position is quickly dying and the parallels to Cisco's current position are striking. Whether we keep the H-1B program at its current scale or cut it back, we're still decaying as a nation and are too arrogant to acknowledge that.

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Post ID: @ss+1jhwqaw2a

Time to send all h1bbs home as those are no longer needed!

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Post ID: @rk+1jhwqaw2a

91's GO HOME!

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Post ID: @rf+1jhwqaw2a

Things are going to change soon. We have enough us citizens with computer science degrees and engineering degrees.
There is a lot of surplus from other countries. Not enough jobs.

Few CEOs can’t stop will of many who voted for Trump.

Students from countries who are helping Russia to attack and take over Ukraine will be first on the list. 80% is students will return without any good job offers.

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Post ID: @pd+1jhwqaw2a
That’s because US schools don’t teach you HOW to write extensible code. They teach you how to write blocks of code that do 1 thing, & not in a generic way. We’ll write 10 functions to do similar tasks when 1-2 functions could do then all if written more generically & extensible.

We were taught both functional decomposition and refactoring in high school in the 1970s in BASIC using subroutines which significantly reduced the amount of code needed in a program. Hitting college shortly thereafter with real procedures and functions we were taught about abstraction, APIs, coupling and cohesion, encapsulation, extensibility, how to design data structures that could be built up and torn down deterministically, how to understand the performance needs In terms of CPU, memory and IO, choosing appropriate algorithms while not doing heavy optimization without performance profiling, how to do engineering in a team context, learning conceptually what requirements, design and implementation are, and many more things. They even taught that you never truly master these skills, you can only put in the effort to keep getting better at them throughout a career.

Teaching these things and people seeing the value in learning them are two different things. It's the student who chooses to get through the final exam and then forget whatever they can. Having worked with developers on four continents I don't see any real variation around the world. Even in free software where passion and pride should be a motivation there are a lot of half-assed projects where many features are mutually exclusive because developers didn't work together and the larger application is so systemically flawed that the conflicts will never be resolved.

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The percentage of people who want to write correct, clean and easily extensible code has always been a very small fraction of the software development community, …

That’s because US schools don’t teach you HOW to write extensible code. They teach you how to write blocks of code that do 1 thing, & not in a generic way. We’ll write 10 functions to do similar tasks when 1-2 functions could do then all if written more generically & extensible.

The days of coding for 48kb of RAM are a thing of the ‘60’s & now with cheap RAM, code is just written w/ a ton of bloat.

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Post ID: @ge+1jhwqaw2a
… I dont think Trump will base decisions on their suggestions. He may hear them out but I think he will use his own judgement …

Trump has a proven track record of listening to the last person to talk to him about any given topic. Why do you think his prev Chief’s of Staff tried to control who had access to the Oval Office during his 1st term?

… account for what the millions who just voted him back into office want and that is an America First agenda just as Bannon is always speaking about to his large audience. If Trump strays from this there will be many very pi---d off voters.

Trump doesn’t care what his base wants. The tells them lies to get their votes & then does what’s best for him & the 1%, not what his base wants. He needed to be elected to avoid prison.

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If Trump strays from this there will be many very pi---d off voters.

The majority of the US population that doesn't want Arabic numerals taught in US schools? The ones who don't know they actually came from India and are the numbers we use every day? As a job creator let me assure you these people are the easiest to manipulate. Some combination of words from the set (godless communist coastal liberal elite) hasn't failed yet.

The percentage of people who want to write correct, clean and easily extensible code has always been a very small fraction of the software development community, and a quick scan of Cisco's software in the 1990s mostly developed in the US demonstrates Cisco is no exception. The carrot of protectionism without some kind of stick is an invitation for far greater failure. The real question "is how do you get people to derive motivation from doing a good job" because the money Cisco and other high value companies paid in their meteoric rises was definitely not sufficient.

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Post ID: @gb+1jhwqaw2a

With remote work outside US and Automation, US companies will start to lose the knowhow and the Innovation edge. The current agenda of US is following the direction that helped China become superpower. Keep jobs in the country should be primary, h1b or otherwise.

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Post ID: @fn+1jhwqaw2a

H1B workers are tax payers and even before that paying a lot to the US education system. Deal with the real issues of corporations moving jobs to low cost countries. Have a policy for US companies to have a minimum % jobs in country, restricting jobs moving out of US.

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Post ID: @f0+1jhwqaw2a

There is going to be a surplus at the other end of the pipe, US is cutting down in immigration and visas and Canada is doing the same.

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Post ID: @ev+1jhwqaw2a

All Trump has to do is require all FedRAMP work be done by US citizens inside the US and you will watch old-tech toe the line

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Post ID: @e2+1jhwqaw2a
More likely US companies will hire more H1Bs temp workers via staffing contractors like WiPro, Infosys, etc.

Apparently we can't find Americans who want to make the employer equivalent of ticket scalpers rich. It's a critical skill the US can't survive without.

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Post ID: @cq+1jhwqaw2a

Move all those seeking H1B visa holders to their own countries, and make them remote employees with salaries compatible to countries they live.

Problem solved. Trump will be happy and achieves his goal of America First!!

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Post ID: @ap+1jhwqaw2a

Musk and Zuckerberg can provide all the opinions they want but I dont think Trump will base decisions on their suggestions. He may hear them out but I think he will use his own judgement and also account for what the millions who just voted him back into office want and that is an America First agenda just as Bannon is always speaking about to his large audience. If Trump strays from this there will be many very pi---d off voters.

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Post ID: @ae+1jhwqaw2a

With remote work there is no reason to move people to the USA these days especially for technical roles its not like being a plumber. Even if the H1B program stays in place they should all be moved to remote work unless going thru normal immigration process to become a permanent citizen of this country.

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Post ID: @aa+1jhwqaw2a

More likely US companies will hire more H1Bs temp workers via staffing contractors like WiPro, Infosys, etc.

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