Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

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You actually think Elon Musk wants to get rid of H1Bs? That is hilarious.

People don’t realize that hiring H1 is more expensive and uncertain. Apart from their salary, there’s additional cost to file visa and visa extension for the employee and their family, including filing fee, lawyer fee etc. and of these are expensive. Also, there’s an uncertainty around H1 extension, which can be rejected. The visa holder can be deported at port of entry for any reason, and cancel their visa, coz CBP officer has the power to do that.
So hiring an H1 is expensive and headache for the employer.

The H1B visa program is designed to bring lower paid workers to the U.S and benefit large corporations by reducing their expenses and providing endentured servant employees who will work very long hours at lower pay and not be able to complain about it or job hop. Their skill level can be far worse than americans. It also allows chain migration for their families and reduces salaries and job availability to us workers as well. Same reason both democrats and republicans have allowed a wide open border. It provides a cheap labor pool they both profit from.

Now that DOGE and Elon are running the show, expect H1Bs to double/triple from where they stand today.

"Canada is ending SDS (student Direct stream) program."
Most countries enforce their borders and immigration rules, but not the US. Too many whiners and takers. Why allow the social fabric of what makes the United States great turned into the absolute TP stains that these people supposedly want to leave?

Report the Facts New Republic:

1. Eliminate H1B Visas as # 1 Priority of DOGE
2. Deport ALL H1B Visa Holders Immediately
3. Hire American Citizens to Fill the Now Open H1B Billets
4. Then Convene Tech Companies for Discussion on Reparations American Workers that had Their Futures Stolen

I’m for legal immigration just like many others. Uncontrolled immigration is bad. Why flood the country with low skilled workers when there are not enough jobs for the local population.

Canada is ending SDS (student Direct stream) program. Why? This is due to concerns about housing pressures and resource strains, impacting a large number of Indian applicants who previously benefited from the expedited process.

Australia capped students to 270k now.

Ireland has housing and accommodation crisis due to large number of international students.

Universities are after international students for huge profits and need to pay huge salaries for their staff and professors.

One common issue in any company, including many big tech, is lack of good managers or leads with good mentorship. They do NOT know how to guide new/mid-level engineers to develop efficient and good software code. This is leading to bad engineers.

Majority on H1-B lack good communication or not able to explain things in clear and concise way. This is known fact.

Most of us know that H1-B is being abused now. Basic programming knowledge is being considered as rare technical skills these days. We can find many US undergraduate with those skills now.

It is a mad rush to escape their own country, come to USA and earn big dollars. But fire low and hire low environment is bad for everyone here in USA.

Big tech executives are all obsessed with profits and earnings. They don’t care about local USA jobs, outsource as much as possible and cut costs.

It is all about cost. Most of us fooled by super rich and politicians stating that capitalism is good. It is all about profits !

Sounds like Cisco shutdown and BO FA going on…

The truly sad thing is so few of you have worked at effective companies

THIS. My consistent gripe with my CISCO coworkers is that many of them have gone their entire careers being under/non-performers working at D-list companies...they cannot achieve results because they don't know what actual performance is.

Even in this market flooded with available talent, the rare rec at Cisco still seems to attract low quality talent...or even worse - people who have worked at Cisco before!

You talked of "Common technologies like Java, C, and C++" and yet Cisco has hired people into roles requiring skills in using at least one of these languages where candidates, local or H-1B, have absolutely zero experience, working on problems where again candidates don't have applicable experience. The work that is done at Cisco, both in the US and around the world, even when compared to the state of the art ages ago when these languages were still on the rise, is extremely poor. The truly sad thing is so few of you have worked at effective companies that you don't even understand how bad the work actually is.

Locally the US needs to fundamentally change its culture to value quality work and to get not only individuals but companies to get better across the board. If we spent more time doing the hard work of doing things better over time we'd be able to produce quite a bit more with fewer labor hours. The most simple example at Cisco is where a 10 line function with two bugs is copied 19 times in one branch then forked out to 1,000 branches. Now instead of two bugs you have 40,000. They taught basic refactoring in high school in the 1970s so why is Cisco systemically incapable of doing this?

The US does benefit from bringing in truly top talent, and given that many new companies are created by foreign born people we benefit by having them become citizens and grow more new jobs here. Being slave labor to low quality companies like Cisco then discarding them doesn't seem like the best option for anyone.

During initial internet bo-m in the 90s, there was a genuine shortage of engineers. Majority of the jobs were new jobs, not replacement of US engineers or outsourcing.

May be around 25-30 thousand students were coming to USA from
India and China.

Now almost 100 thousand students are coming here annually from India and China has reduced little bit recently.
Almost 330K students from India and 270K students from China. They are all competing with USA citizens graduating from colleges/universities and grabbing a huge number of jobs in tech companies.

There is a lot of nepotism and influence used by these students to get into tech companies.

Many of the hiring and candidate selection is totally biased and preference is given to these international students when there are few thousands of us citizens with engineering degrees.

Many senior engineers are getting replaced by international outsourcing companies. Majority of H1-B engineers are protected during layoff and reduction in force.

Time to change this forever with new rules. Control the flow of international students, many won’t find jobs due to intense competition for few jobs.