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As many have already stated, H1Bs are not cheaper, but they are essentially slaves. H1Bs either work 80 hours a week and do exactly as they are told or they can be sent back. Their masters know this. Their slaves know this. So the slaves work very, very hard and are very compliant, in order to get the life-changing green card that they so desire. Also managers can hire employees from their native region and do friends and family favors, as the green card is the holy grail. So US citizens have long since been pushed out and now are just a small fragile minority at Cisco.
Sorry, that post makes no sense to me
Cisco has been actively trying to move work offshore since no later than 2000, and thelayoff.com's Cisco board which is far younger than this has addressed this fact over and over and over again. Does that help clarify it?
That's been the point of posts here since this board was activated including the one to which you replied
Sorry, that post makes no sense to me
Gawd, 25 years too late.
That's been the point of posts here since this board was activated including the one to which you replied. Like most here you haven't fully figured that out.
As a customer of Cisco for more than 30 years the software quality has always been garbage. If Cisco will never hire competent ICs and management why not pay dimes on the dollar for the same low quality work elsewhere?
For those asking "so why do you still buy some Cisco?" It's because your competitors hired ex-Cisco people and some of their products have even more design and quality problems. If Cisco can drag down the rest of the world at least they'll be on a level playing field.
While an H-1B worker may appear cheaper initially due to the potential for lower base salaries, the overall cost of employing an H-1B worker is often not significantly less than a US-based resource when factoring in the legal fees, processing costs, and requirement to pay the prevailing wage, which means the employer must pay a salary comparable to what a US worker in the same position would earn in that location; therefore, saying an H-1B is "cheaper" is a complex issue and not always accurate.
Cisco is going to start hiring foreign labor and eventually move work offshore?
Gawd, 25 years too late. When I joined Cisco 20 years ago, all my BU engineering was in the US. Now the US contribution is 0%.
Today the efforts are to push everything to mx, then second choice dump in asia. Anything left will go mainly to partners staffed by - H1Bs. Then they can blame the partners for hiring id--ts rather than themselves for bringing in nations of them.
if you think you are valuable with your experience and education, think again.
You think Technical Leaders doing one to ten line checkins a couple times a week without even bothering to see if they'll compile or Principal Software Engineers plagiarizing together self contradictory white papers represent any kind of experience or education? In the rest of the world it does not.
they will do ten times more then the average american for peanuts.
Despite decades of failed development world wide at Cisco proving otherwise. If the productivity were so great all the work would be done in the Bangalore area by now, but my experience with the teams there is that they're exactly as bad as those at American and other sites. Cisco's problem is corporate culture, not national culture.
Even with a bumper to bumper warranty the idea of having to constantly flat bed a Land Rover to the shop is a non-starter, and Jaguar stopped making cars outright so Tata hasn't done much with these since Ford which is now topping the US charts with recalls. Even German and Japanese cars have become cr-p. Refrigerators used to last 30 years and now Korea is producing expensive units that won't make the three year mark. Does any culture still value both the production and consumption of quality?
Where you been? Cisco has been offshoring to Mexico and Costa Rica for years
Cisco is going to start hiring foreign labor and eventually move work offshore? Cisco is about to have their first layoff!? Everyone will quit just to show the ELT the errors of their ways? RTP is closing on the 19th? 80,000 Cisco Timmys fell in the well AGAIN?
Seriously, are any left at Cisco with any connection to reality?
Americans are about to get a hard lesson. the h1b is what keeps the bottomline afloat for cisco and faang. if you think you are valuable with your experience and education, think again. at the end of the day its about profit and you are a huge cost compared to the young zealot worker from a certain region. they will bend over backwards to their master that gave them the h1b and move to a greencard. they will work nights and weekends. they will destroy the work culture. they will do ten times more then the average american for peanuts.
no matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on, your job will be handed over to the h1b zealot and there isnt a dam thing you can do about it. your politicians dont care about you. they care about the oligarch corporations that run the country. they want cheap labor and they will get it.
Mate, H1B are another way for corporations to pay lower wage and for some power hungry unconscionable managers from the sub-continent to hire their fellow countrymen and enslave them under village rule- meaning if you don’t work/act like a slave and worship me I will send you back. It’s a real thing, especially in CX delivery org in Americas. Neeraj is one such muppet who has made a reputation for himself in doing the needful this way. A petty shsllow tyrant.
Cisco's decisions are not primarily driven by considerations related to H1B visas or offshore labor. Rather, the company has consistently made strategic choices based on market perceptions and the anticipated reactions of investors. As a result, it is likely that Cisco will continue to reduce its workforce in the United States while increasing its hiring efforts in India, all in an effort to enhance its standing on Wall Street.
More likely offshoring than H1B’s. H1s are as expensive as US/EU employees, much cheaper to hire in Mexico, Latin America, India & Asia.
ELT loves those “low cost centers”, but our customers wonder why they pay a premium for those resource.
If you are unhappy, then leave. I think the real issue is that you don’t have the capability to make a change in your life for the positive and you spew venom like a coward.
Easy to say. You must be retired or not working. Have you personally tried looking for a job?
If you are unhappy, then leave. I think the real issue is that you don’t have the capability to make a change in your life for the positive and you spew venom like a coward.