Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@1wou+1jL2mUgA

Except EVs are only suitable for short-distance, light-duty transportation (and even then, range anxiety is a thing). If you have to suddenly drive several hundred miles on short notice, EV will fail you.

In contrast, ice is fine for that, and a passenger car's CO2 emissions are negligible.

DON'T BUY AN EV!

I said it.

We are headed to EVs for light-duty transportation and some short distance medium and heavy-duty use. At this time, they are not ready for broad use due to reasons others have mentioned. They are suitable for early-adopters at this time. Those who have discretionary income and time to devote to hassles involved with emerging technologies.

EVs SUCK!

I have the opposite opinion @kps+1jL2mUgA

I think the only advantage for EVs today is a big 'maybe' at best. And that is the price of gasoline vs the price of electricity.

But the cost of entry to own an EV is higher enough, compared to ICE, that you'd have to drive a LOT of miles to see any actual savings. And for a lot of people, driving a lot of miles in an EV just isn't feasible. Either the distance is too far and they need to stay near charging stations and be willing to spend the time charging. And also many people who live in colder climates or have to tow anything will simply not be able to achieve the results. And lastly, even if we only sell EVs to that customer that perfectly fits the current abilities - warm climate, city driving, no long distance commutes, low payload - the market size just isn't big enough to recoup our costs. Even with massive price hikes.

And as fast as apps, ADAS features, etc., they are not limited to EV. All if these features (safety and convenience) can be incorporated into ICE vehicles. But it would have to be done in a way that didn't hit customers in the wallet (my opinion).

U know you hate EVs bro….don’t be a denier

I do not agree with any of the comments on this thread. Even the OP is not exactly correct. EV's have more advantages right now, and the advantages with continue to increase as features, new technologies, apps, etc are applied to EV's. Ford's company transformation will lead this charge.

No one says don't buy an EV. We are just saying, the infrastructure in the country is not ready. Prices are too high for the common people. Parts to repair (specifically batteries) are out of budget. Resale is horrible. We are no where near impacting the cost of gas, by lessening demand...possibly by 2030-35, we might see a quarter difference. Buy a EV if it fits your lifestyle and willing to take what it fully doesn't offer.

"Imagine Little Caesars's selling only pineapple pizzas for $100 a pie and telling their shareholders that this is the way to go."

Ford EVs do not cost 14 times more than a Ford ICE

It is absolutely fine if people choose to buy EVs. But I've seen that the majority of purchases are by 'wealthy' people who own an EV as a second vehicle or somehow live in a location that does not require any type of commute or towing. And the vast majority live in warm climates.

If Ford was selling affordable and reliable EVs, there might be a different conversation being had.

And this doesn't even mention the way that the battery materials are procured (third world countries, child labor, slave wages, straight up 'human rights violations' as defined in USA).

Lastly, I think it is a mistake for Ford to move into a 'higher priced' niche across the entire portfolio. I was disappointed when we stopped selling Fusion/Focus/Fiesta. There are a lot if Civic and Camry sales each year. The average person's salary is NOT increasing on par with inflation. I do not se people - average working folks - being able to comfortably/responsibly afford the price EVs will cost.

And for the record, if/when EVs gain traction, I fully expect electricity prices to increase. So I believe the gasoline vs electricity will be a wash - no savings will be had by switching over - for the average family that needs the vehicle to be their daily driver.

Imagine Little Caesars's selling only pineapple pizzas for $100 a pie and telling their shareholders that this is the way to go. Sure, Pineapples are expensive and the pies only last 40 minutes after they are cooked, and you have to buy special equipment to reheat it but this is what we want the customers to want. Little Caesar's board would be looking for a new CEO and board chairman in short order.

The difference is the pizza industry is not just going to make pineapple pizzas and forget the rest of the consumers preferences. The Farley EV Strategy is taking us straight into a brick wall.

Oh yes
Nobody here said not to buy ev"s
They only pointed out whats going on in that shady practice of procuring ev related materials.
You are welcome to spend your money for the greedy pigs when they dont care a sh-t about you.
Its all up to you.

It’s not an us vs. them. It’s data driven. The company can dream about an all BEV lineup, but frankly the competition is going to be so incredibly fierce that odds of success are low. Just look at the gap between Ford and Tesla, and then imagine all major OEMs converging to play in this space. The pie is small to begin with so even if Ford maintained its 12% market share, the revenue would not be enough to self fund the company. Keep in mind Tesla for a number of years operated at a loss even though they owned the market. So Ford has entered this market which is already dominated by a company, with a product that the CFO admitted in public forum loses money. Tell me how that is supposed to inspire confidence for the going concern that is Ford? Remove the fanboy thoughts and just look at the bottom line. This change or die mentality is like getting a medical procedure that causes more harm than good.

‘If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.’