Thread regarding Avaya layoffs

Level Set Avaya Public Image Situation

Reality Check! Avaya has lost credibility in the market spinning capabilities. We all must accept that. If we don't then we cant restructure and transform.

There are those who are credible subject matter experts. There are those who are talented at presenting information in a way to engage and inspire people. Then there is the rare talent that can master both. We have hope that the new CEO is that rare talent.

Now, the previous CEO was unwilling to engage with clients, partners or general analysts outside of when he needed something from them. Therefore, marketing was heavily bloated, with both resources and ego, to compensate for the lack of C-Suite personality. ** Unfortunately, being able to give a great presentation is not the same as being credible.** It actually follows that old saying of "those who can't do, teach" (no disrespect to our amazing teachers). So, if one may have been "risky" as an effect sales support engineer because they may have spun and promised clients results that are not attainable, or misunderstood the details of client build, they may have not been celebrated in the subject matter expert circle. Yet a marketing department that is desperate for people to speak, because they had little access to C-Suite engagement, would jump at the chance to leverage such a willing presenter. And then, you have market analysts who are thrilled to have a positive, happy and willing resource. Thus, some of these marketing people may have been propped up by the market analysts to the new CEO. Unfortunately, the new CEO may have been informed that certain presenters are well liked by some market insiders, it is a miss for Avaya's current situation in the market. We need credible, ex CIO's, or an ex large scale client to serve as the face of the story telling. We need sophistication, not people who believe they have "arrived" and that the brand is about themselves and not Avaya. We need not just an ex telecom/contact center manager or an ex sales engineer who may or may not have upset too many people for their willingness to spin away from facts. And we most certainly don't need a consumer social media influencer -type of messaging. This is an enterprise sale, and a complex one at that. The focus should be what resonates with the client, and most importantly, the clients we want. However, the marketing message speaks to the inner circle whom we don't need to influence. It's a perpetual cycle of glad-handing with the same partners, the same analysts, the same publications, over and over and over. Avaya has to get out of its comfort zone and market to who we need, not just to those who we are familiar with. If we succeed, the partners, the analysts, the right media will follow without effort. Product Management has also followed a similar path. They were more focused on the story than the facts. I look forward to significant changes in those two core areas and supporting Avaya in any way possible to make this transition most successful.

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Post ID: @OP+1iCST5Wo

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Meh. There is nothing to sell. No new offering , no reason to buy. The horse died long ago and now it’s embarrassing that it’s constantly presented for whipping. Give it up. Milk the maintenance market and move on.

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Post ID: @5chts+1iCST5Wo

First I've read this post. It appears to be from last year but it still holds true. Especially comments about social media. If only people were managed a year ago when it was clear they were violating policies.

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Post ID: @5cakk+1iCST5Wo

Tiny, I am so very sorry. You belong on the post about celebrating those brace enough to do the right thing. You are a real professional and Avaya needs people like you...they just only know how to bully and harass anyone who actually knows what they are talking about. They don't know how to handle real SMEs. Take one look at the evangelist and it tells you everything you need to know about Avaya.

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Post ID: @2wei+1iCST5Wo

I was a former customer and buyer of CC technology, it was the reason I was hired at Avaya. A perspective unique in the organization. I was quickly promoted and given a project to help sales to re-think their approach for a set of dysfunctional products. As I introduced them to how Enterprises made large purchase decisions (which I had been an executive making those decisions). Long time Avayans decided they knew more about sales and enterprise purchases they used their tenure to create noise about my “radical” thinking. So much so 2 Sr Executives put me on a hit list. No Bad Review ever, nothing but positive feedback from my manager, and promoted in less than a year from starting and now I was a “radical”. COVID hit and I was gone in a “cleansing “ layoff. They continued to operate like a company from the 80s and it’s clear now where that has put them.

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Post ID: @2vgo+1iCST5Wo

AMEN to this "We need sophistication, not people who believe they have "arrived" and that the brand is about themselves and not Avaya". .What in the world is with these clowns? Why? How? It's just baffling.

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Post ID: @2ges+1iCST5Wo

I don't think they are capable of turning it around, the cupboard of decent leadership is completely bare. Obviously there is little organizational memory because they keep introducing organization changes that have been tried multiple times and failed, despite some really great SME level technical talent the company would rather waste their talent putting out every fire that management can't handle then give them the time to do the kind of knowledge transfer the actual SME knows his co-workers need, and obviously they keep finding yes people to put in place that are so incompetent they couldn't do any aspect of their subordinate's job for a couple of days. Last, the public wants intuitive to use and maintain products and if your offerings are harder to use than Apple or Microsoft and your knowledge base that people go to for information/solutions consists of a lot of speculation, plenty of outdated information, and little practical training material to self-educated, your going to end up in the dump heap AGAIN!

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Post ID: @2goe+1iCST5Wo

You only have to look at the revolving door of Country Leaders/CEO's to see something's not been right in the chicken coup. They are all appointed '..with a wealth of experience', but sadly never actually deliver the much anticipated and needed turn around!
All guilty of fiddling while Rome burns and following Nokia... Whilst Smartphone challengers innovated, Nokia just fiddled, ending when Nokia's CEO stated to staff '...we are standing on a burning platform'. Enter Microsoft for 3 years before selling it off. Anyone here have a Nokia device?

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Post ID: @2tzg+1iCST5Wo

Preach Brother, Preach! Yes to all of the above. Anyone inside Avaya or just out of Avaya knows every word is fact.

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Post ID: @1jeg+1iCST5Wo

Unfortunately way too late, stick a fork in Avaya, much better players in market.

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Post ID: @1wly+1iCST5Wo

There is no room for self-promotion, Especially when it is hiding behind implied, questionable altruism. Best part is shiny puppy is now competing for the title of the most helpful....(me too, me too, look at me too!). And do they not realize it doesn't make Avaya look good when they are discussing layoffs on a professional networking site? Which is not the first time they both cross the line with the use of professional networking site. C'mon people. This is getting old.

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Post ID: @bls+1iCST5Wo

Interesting. Thoughtful and factual. Let's see if anyone is reading/listening to take the appropriate action.

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Post ID: @iyt+1iCST5Wo

I can't wait to roast marshmallows on this Avaya dumpster fire! They are the WORST company to work for and I will tell EVERYONE I know that has talent, to stay FAR away from this company as possible. You too could be laid off with ZERO notice!!! I hope and pray Avaya goes down and never comes back!!! Good Riddance!!!

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