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At What Age Does ExxonMobil Force Us To Retire by PIP-PIL-NSI? Seems That Our Age is Much Lower Than The Gallup Poll.

More in U.S. Retiring, or Planning to Retire, Later
BY JEFFREY M. JONES
22 July 2022

https://news.gallup.com/poll/394943/retiring-planning-retire-later

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- American workers are retiring at later ages than those in the past three decades. In 1991, U.S. retirees, on average, reported that they retired at age 57. Now, the average reported retirement age is up to 61. Nonretirees' target retirement age has also increased, from 60 in 1995 to 66 today.

These data are based on Gallup's annual Economy and Personal Finance survey, conducted each April. Gallup has asked about retirement ages in this survey since 2002, updating trends asked periodically in other Gallup surveys in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1995.

Later retirement ages are coming at a time when U.S. workers are not eligible for full Social Security retirement benefits until past age 65. In 1983, Congress increased the age at which people can receive full retirement benefits. Those born between 1937 and 1959 -- the youngest of whom are age 62 now -- are eligible for full benefits at a prespecified age older than 65 but younger than 67, depending on the year of their birth. All of those born after 1960 are not eligible for full benefits until age 67. Retirees are eligible for reduced benefits starting at age 62.

A Gap Between Expected and Actual Retirement Ages
In addition to the upward trends in both expected and actual retirement ages, Gallup has consistently found that retirees' reported retirement age has been about five years younger than nonretirees' expected retirement age. This could largely reflect the reality that many current retirees were able to retire at a younger age and get full Social Security benefits than today's workers will be able to. However, as both the expected and actual retirement ages have increased in the past two decades, and more recent retirees are subject to new age requirements for receiving full benefits, the gap between expected and actual retirement ages has persisted.

This continuing gap could indicate that workers incorrectly predict they will be able to work longer than they will end up doing, either because their employer has other plans or because an unexpected health or family situation may leave them unable to work at an older age. However, the Gallup data cannot determine whether that is the case. Gallup asks expected retirement age of a sample of nonretirees, and actual retirement age of a sample of retirees, so while the findings can show whether averages at the group level are changing, they cannot speak to whether individual workers retire at an earlier age than they had planned to.

Confounding effects of individuals' age at the time of interview and their retirement status at that time may contribute to the persistent gap in actual versus expected retirement age among retirees and nonretirees. Many currently retired people stopped working at a relatively young age, so the sample of retirees aged 65 and under will tend to lower the average retirement age of all retirees interviewed in a given survey. Likewise, nonretired people in their mid-to-late 60s or 70s will report an older expected retirement age, pushing up the average expected retirement age of nonretirees interviewed in a given survey.

Gallup can isolate the effects of age on retirement status by looking at the proportion of all adults who are retired among different age groups, to see if those percentages are changing over time.

For the analysis, the 21 years of data from the Economy and Personal Finance survey were divided into three roughly equal time periods. This ensures adequate sample sizes for relatively narrow, five-year age ranges.

The data show there has been relatively little change in retirement status among Americans younger than 55, or 75 and older, between 2002-2007 and 2016-2022.

Among Americans nearing or past the traditional retirement age -- those between the ages of 55 and 74 -- significantly fewer people are retired than was the case for people in the same age group at the start of the 21st century. In each five-year age group, there has been a decrease of between five and nine percentage points in the number of retired Americans, with the biggest drops in the 55-59 age range (from 19% to 11%) and in the 60-64 age range (from 41% to 32%).

There are smaller but still meaningful declines in the number of U.S. adults aged 65 to 69 (from 76% to 70%) and those aged 70 to 74 (from 88% to 83%) who are retired.

It is unclear to what extent these patterns of later retirement are related to household income. The survey collects data on current income status, and retirees generally report much lower incomes than nonretirees given the lack of regular wages for retirees. Thus, it is not possible to know whether the shift toward later retirement ages is occurring more among lower-income or upper-income workers.

Bottom Line

The average age of retirement among retirees is now 61, up from 57 in 1991. And if active workers retire when they plan to, the average retirement age will increase even further in the coming decades.

Changes to Social Security payouts enacted in the 1980s are coming into play for today's workers of retirement age, and they provide incentives for people to stay employed longer to maximize their monthly benefits after they retire. Longer life spans for U.S. adults may also be a factor in later retirement ages, with workers perhaps seeing a need to save more money, anticipating a retirement that could last 10, 20 or 30 years, particularly with the cost of living increasing. Also, a shift away from a manufacturing economy to one primarily focused on delivering services and information facilitates working to an older age.

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Post ID: @OP+1i2Tltr0

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Annandale if your RE have a plan ……2025

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Post ID: @6mwn+1i2Tltr0

@4cum (Fascinating handle):

Plan better and you won’t be working into your late 60s to afford retiring. This is the corollary to the “bootstrapping” BS that’s been rammed down everyone else’s throats by you and your peers since before time began.

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Post ID: @6qyg+1i2Tltr0

55

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Post ID: @5txq+1i2Tltr0

The full retirement age in Social security has been raised and is now nearly 68...vs 65 in the 1990s...That is main reason people have delayed retirement. Delaying it increases the amount of social security. Plus people need to save more because life expectancy s up since 1990 also. This is not rocket science... it is math...retirement math

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Post ID: @4cum+1i2Tltr0

56

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Post ID: @4olm+1i2Tltr0

@1iir Why wait? Go ahead and turn in your badge on Monday morning. By leaving you’re unblocking career paths for at least five other people and saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in payroll and benefits expenses.

Enjoy your retirement life, and don’t forget to stay retired.

~Ciao

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Post ID: @2prr+1i2Tltr0

Don't have to force me out of here. I'm retiring earlier than I wanted at the end of the year and I'm glad to go...

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Post ID: @1iir+1i2Tltr0

@1bbo Companies aren’t wrong to think so.

There is a definite learning plateau that occurs for most people early/mid 50s. Most of the time this is self-imposed, with people invoking “experience” as a substitute for learning new things, especially new technologies.

It’s worth pointing out that in O&G nothing new has happened technology-wise for over a decade. Only recently has automation started to make its way into (some) facilities, and even that is over screaming protestations from “senior” staff.

So yes; in a nutshell most of you are obsolete, and maybe a little bit recalcitrant too.

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Post ID: @1pka+1i2Tltr0

And if 52+ if you don’t have your 15 years in, forget about it…

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Post ID: @1ams+1i2Tltr0

52 rank tanks but protected from PIP 52-55.

55+ PIP target

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Post ID: @1vfk+1i2Tltr0

I am planning on my ranking to tank as I age. Just expect it to happen and prepare for it.

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Post ID: @1uht+1i2Tltr0

No worry. Company does its best to make sure older workers feel "old and irrelevant". That phrase was actually used by my SLS two assignments ago. Apparently, it was part of the management vernacular. Sure is demonstrated by behavior. Fine, Fvck you too, @ssh0le!

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Post ID: @1bbo+1i2Tltr0

A fascinating article.
Thanks for this.
Like an hour's nap under my desk.

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Post ID: @1jcs+1i2Tltr0

@1uxl That’s the problem:

It’s not about you.

It’s about the needs of your employer. Nobody, including you, is getting better at anything after the age of 50. At that point, you’ve plateaued, and your employer knows this.

My advice to the younger crowd: build your wealth in your 30s and 40s so that you don’t have to drag yourself to work in your 50s, and don’t take advice from anyone over 50 who is still showing up to an office for a paycheck, lest you end up doing the same.

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Post ID: @1idm+1i2Tltr0

@asj+1i2Tltr0

With very few exceptions, any Independent Financial Advisor will tell you that the longer you work, the better off you will be in retirement. That is why people do not want to retire in their 50's.

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Post ID: @1uxl+1i2Tltr0

Beginning at age 50, more specifically 52, your ranking will slide, raises become minuscule, and you can be transferred to a role not suitable with your career history. That turns into low ranking as a result.
As a long time retired Manager said “Exxon has been using this (PIP/NSI) to get rid of people for ages. Happened to me.

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Post ID: @1wky+1i2Tltr0

@OP

The article makes the case for a mechanism like the PIP to normalize the workforce.

When people who clearly should step down choose not to, companies are left with little choice other than to take drastic measures.

What’s left out of articles like this is the time and effort large companies spent trying to incentivize workers who should have moved on to do so with generous severance packages. Most turned them down, and thus here we find ourselves.

Exxon has become the single largest private gerontocracy in the world. It’s pathetic, not to mention counter-productive.

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Post ID: @asj+1i2Tltr0

You have no power, it is up to EM

I was lucky to get mine.

Life is good.

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Post ID: @mnm+1i2Tltr0

And thanks to our great benefits including medical we all can afford to retire. I am glad I do not need to work as a Walmart greeter to make ends meet.

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Post ID: @hhp+1i2Tltr0

At any age they want.

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Post ID: @ehk+1i2Tltr0

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