Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Security Sales Accelerated Decline

The senior security sales leadership is hard at work to hide their complete incompetence. Unfortunately, it is not going to get any better as it is going to get much worse with the upcoming changes that will accelerate the decline of security sales and accelerate layoffs. You will see that they will try more sales programs and gimmicks. These simply don’t work. See the last several quarters performance for evidence. You will see org changes in the name of efficiencies but are really layoffs, all while the security competitors are hiring and growing. You will see non-security executives trying to inject themselves into security but look foolish and cause customers to laugh and further ignore Cisco security sellers.

The products could be better but the security competitors have product challenges too but are outselling Cisco.

How and Why are the competitors growing significantly.

The security competitors are directly selling to the security teams at customers. The security competitors are not trying to use other sellers such as AMs and SEs to sell thru. AMs and SEs have very little security relationships and are too scared to try to establish. Customer security teams do not take Cisco AMs and SEs seriously.

The security competitors have real executive leadership that leads and are accountable and transparent. They don’t ignore the field and let issues spiral out of control. The dishonesty by the current senior security sales leadership has directly impacted security sales and resulted in dismal growth. See previous quarters on performance for reference.

The security competitors are actually paying their sellers full commissions based on reasonable and accurate goaling. They are not incorrectly goaling then come out with a program and lie to their sellers to make it seem they can really make $.

The security competitors are having advanced security conversations with customers. They are not having basic 101 conversations on what a NGFW is or what an advanced endpoint solution is. This is exactly why Cisco does not get a seat at the table often. Customers are smarter than what senior security sales leadership gives them credit for.

The security competitors have sales and technical relationships with security teams at customers. They are not trying to use a disaster program like Click-to-Expert that does damage to customer relationships and creates more work before and after for sales teams. The competitors actually let their sellers focus on selling.

See any other security competitor for what does work as every security competitor is growing by significant double digits while Cisco is growing in the low to mid single digits.

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Post ID: @OP+1hoTax0p

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The ELT knows that there are problems with the execution, transparency, and accountability in these two roles. Once the new global security sale leader is in place, you will see changes in the following months and see real leaders put into those roles.

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Post ID: @7nwn+1hoTax0p

They continue to side-step it. It is shocking the lack of transparency these two have shown in being so called “leaders”.

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Post ID: @4jyh+1hoTax0p

Were they ever held accountable for the Gold Rush Bait and Switch they did. Did they ever accept responsibility.

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Post ID: @3yhv+1hoTax0p

@2tdd+1hoTax0p tell us more about the new FY changes

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Post ID: @3spc+1hoTax0p

It is not just those two but it is also global vp of security engineering She is in way over her head. She only got the role cause she is friends with the previous global vp. Those three continue to make wrong decisions after wrong decisions. They are not capable of what is required of their positions. I have already heard of the changes coming and it is going to be another disaster. If you thought Gold Rush was bad, wait to you see the changes these three are rolling out for the new fiscal year.

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Post ID: @2tdd+1hoTax0p

Come to Palo. We are kicking your bu-t every where. Our executives at Palo actually are real security executives. VW and MK should be nominated to our Presidents Club since their ineptness has easily driven security customers to us. Cyber security talent is hard to find but VW and MK has made it so easy for us as many have left to come to us. The least we can do is nominate these two for Palo’s Presidents Club.

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Post ID: @1ycx+1hoTax0p

The execs are great. It’s the sh---y CSS and TSA crew that just can’t deliver.

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Post ID: @1voa+1hoTax0p

You all are paying for the sins of the past. While the previous global security sales Vp is gone, she set in motion a path of complete disaster for GSSO. She never held a sales leadership role at any level then one day became the global vp of security sales.

She then hires her good friend to replace her as the global security engineering leader to clean up the mess she created there.

Then she did not replace the Americas vp who is a used car salesman and has driven the Americas security business into a decline. Ask anyone in GES.

Then he hires a new Americas engineering director who is unqualified in every way and he only got the role due his willingness to kiss up to the Americas vp of SEs and implement his disaster of initiatives and programs.

What is missing in the above……. Customer focus.

Until Cisco focuses on the actual customer, security sales will continue to decline.

As someone earlier said, they need to replace all of those individuals above and bring in real executive sales and engineering leadership.

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Post ID: @kxl+1hoTax0p

I am a hardcore Cisco fan and CCIE Security, those who have taken the CCIE journey know how long it will take to earn it. I earn it 10 years ago...but now things are very different. It is very very sad for me to see that Cisco never moved from ASA or FTD, the same complexity, same GUI (ASDM, FMC) , Siloed products and worst is quality - it went down so bad that, putting a Cisco firewall itself like adding another security vulnerability into the system. In my financial Org, looks like am the only one who still favor Cisco, rest of team (99%) vote for non-Cisco. The sad part is - they well were once Cisco lovers, many of them even started CCIE journey and i mentored few of them. from 2018 onwards we started to replace non-Cisco perimeter FWs, now we are almost non-cisco security environement ( other than few ASAs for remote VPN Headends). What a sad state....we are one of global Financal company. we had around 75% Cisco Security gears now hardly 2%. I doubt I will renew my CCIE again next year. I hate to do this but slowly I am also moving away from Cisco..... to stay employeed :-(

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Post ID: @ece+1hoTax0p

I is customer for Cisco. I has many ASA firewall in network. this best firewalls forever. it stopping hackers come from Russia. I has many friend work in CIA/FBI and all usa goverment they saying me all using ASA firewall for network protection.

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Post ID: @yep+1hoTax0p

It’s fundamentally because the products are so awful. Everything else is a knock on effect from that. Why would a talented security sales person or engineer work for Cisco? Answer they wouldn’t. So it’s not just leadership. All of GSSO is subpar people.

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Post ID: @tif+1hoTax0p

For the Americas, wait till you hear the changes coming from VW and MK for further proof of they have no idea how to lead an organization. Those two are directly responsible for the continuing the poor performance and it is going to get worse. They have no idea how to sell security. They don’t understand customers. They just push stupid programs that do not resonate with customers and the field sales. Please replace these two.

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Post ID: @rja+1hoTax0p

Agree wholeheartedly with OP , @qyu and @vkt. I see the same trend ami g Cisco customers in U.K. and not just in security but also in other areas: wlan is increasingly going to Juniper who did not even have a elam solution before 2020. Aruba is always around . Add Palo, Fortinet to the security side. And now we have multiple partners who are even pushing competitors for SD-WAN and LAN citing simpler licensing, better support and more coherent solutions .

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Post ID: @iak+1hoTax0p

Agree wholeheartedly with OP , @qyu and @vkt. I see the same trend ami g Cisco customers in U.K. and not just in security but also in other areas: wlan is increasingly going to Juniper who did not even have a elam solution before 2020. Aruba is always around . Add Palo, Fortinet to the security side. And now we have multiple partners who are even pushing competitors for SD-WAN and LAN citing simpler licensing, better support and more coherent solutions .

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Post ID: @mae+1hoTax0p

Very succinct post and can absolutely concur now on customer side, operating a medium sized enterprise. Had many good technical years at Cisco. Being a customer and ultimately responsible for first digesting and living through the resolution network and security challenges, it can be an incredible journey with lots of good days; and also some very bad days, especially when complex challenges.

Also having helped support many Cisco customers myself hands on as a blue badge, regretfully I can similarly say our enterprise is in the process of divorcing ourselves from a decade plus long relationship with Cisco. It is not our account team causing this; it is the security portfolio and support lifecycle of the security portfolio. I wholeheartedly am a Cisco advocate, but there are now security products that regretfully Cisco isn't even in the same ballpark at technical and more importantly reactive support.

What Cisco has lost is the ability to truly engage the customer and be there when the sh!t hits the fan with a complex security or network issue. It is now a model of call into TAC, wait two hours to find someone that really knows the security issue, and is also willing to go through the journey of getting the problem fixed and then helping the Cisco account team evolve the customer to the next phase of the security product lifecycle.

It just feels that Cisco can't participate the same way I myself was expected to support my own assigned customers when I was myself in TAC; and I can't stake my now customer side professional reputation on a product portfolio that does not compare to other competitors. So we recently made the decision to migrate to another security vendor.

Once a company does removes the primary firewall for their enterprise, it is just a matter of time for the rest of that enterprise's install base to move away from what was once primary Cisco.

It is a journey I am now living, and regretfully now NOT being a partner with. I like my job as a customer; but simply cannot rely on Cisco when something really bad is happening with our environment.

Sad, and those staying at Cisco for the long term; I hope you truly see what is regretfully happening out there.

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Post ID: @vkt+1hoTax0p

but Cisco will one day come out with the Cisco Security Cloud to compete with the leaders in the security space.

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Post ID: @ehu+1hoTax0p

Best post so far on the rapid advancement into obscurity by Cisco. Kodak, Xerox, and many others have stopped listening to their clients and looking at business trends. Cisco your days are numbered unless the current ELT is replaced.

Tear off the band-aide and start over. Clean house of inept management and slackers, go back to your core verticals and make the product work with ease of use and you have a shot at getting invited back to the table where the real world sits.

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