"HCL’s new VMware business unit is part of its Strategic Alliance Partner Ecosystem, which leverages the CloudSMART Framework to provide multi-cloud and app modernization solutions. HCL will help enterprises pursue the path of digital dominance by aligning transformation with overall business objectives while remaining agile through cloud freedom and enterprise control enabled by VMware product and service offerings. "
Uhhhh .... Is this the end of Tanzu!?
Wow! Given the amount of promotions in the Tanzu division in this cycle HCL will find a lot of Senior Managers / Account Executives / Lead solution engineers to pay for...
Embrace the uncertainty
Is this just a "partnership" or was Tanzu really sold off? Don't expect a ligament answer from any manager in the org.
Well actually I was prepared to take severance, go to a sabbatical period for 6/9 months to have some surfing lessons on the seaside somewhere tropical and then prepare for interviewing and take another job in a cool company.
I wasn't prepared to be sold off to HCL honestly.
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well I think at this point everyone is wondering a lot of things.
Strangely noone is talking about this on the acquisition slack channel.
I guess the questions are:
But I think we can just wait and see....
Does anyone really "know" when this is happening? I see 3 possibilities:
The fact this is being released to the public know has me thinking #3 isnt the answer. Also, would HCL make such an announcement and then sit on it for months. The obvious play here is they need the MAPBU (at least some anyway) heads to round out their new BU
Not “tanzu customer” but it seems the product solves too simple a problem in the most complex way imaginable. Well it doesn’t really solve it because it doesn’t work, so there is that as well.
Why in the world would I install complex software I need to maintain on top of a vendor that sells k8s as a service. What a step backwards!
Every step in the TAP process - see the diagram here -
https://tanzu.vmware.com/application-platform
has an equivalent service in the vendors k8s offering and ecosystem. No need for more layers to figure out what went wrong.
The CEO dream that we will switch from one k8s as a service vendor to another in a heartbeat is just that, a dream. The cost to find “TAP admins” would be more than the cost of Azure, Amazon, or Google cloud devs to move the app. I can find a terraform guru more easily than a TAP guru.
Connecting a git commit, to a CI execution, to “blindly” deploying it is so yesterday in terms of use case, and you don’t need custom k8s components to link that together. And decent dev could string that together in a day on any of the common platforms out there.
Question for “Tanzu customer”. Why do you think TAP is kind of a joke? I work for Tanzu and I’m interested in your opinion.
Well PCF was the flagship product of Pivotal, they invested almost everything in PCF and commercially the results weren't so great, otherwise there wasn't the need for VMware to save us and we will not be in this situation now...
And as far as I remember in the old Pivotal days, noone wanted to buy PCF anymore at a given point because they preferred going to a K8s architecture (Openshift, Rancher, GKE ecc...) and the fact that originally PCF wasn't supporting K8s as containerization platform was really a liability.
anyone knows whats going on inside tanzu? Love more insight on it from people working in the BU
Well “PCF” is not what I would consider a “Tanzu” product, as in a net new product. It is just a new label on an existing product, one that does bring in sizable revenue and is “sticky”.
PCF/TAS at vmware has largely been abandoned in terms of R&D investment and sales incentives because of the “pivot” to kubernetes.
With Broadcom I expect them to follow the money and actually invest more in PCF/TAS as it at least has a chance of fitting in the Broadcom playbook.
Similar for “data services” that were also existing products before the Tanzu rebranding.
I expect the science experiment that has created “3rd rate” and unprofitable k8s products will be the major part under Tanzu brand name that gets the axe one way or another.
Lots of pieces to disentangle.
Long story short, for PCF, you are prob in ok shape going forward. Who says this site is all doom and gloom? 🙂
Does Tanzu actually do anything aside cause heartburn to all who come in contact with it?
I'm a Tanzu customer -- been watching this forum closely since the acquisiton was announced.
PCF is cool, it was awesome back in its heyday and is still pretty solid today. So yeah, they do something. I actually really like it and so do my users. But Pivotal/Tanzu has been pretty much resting on their laurels and vaporware since then. They have third rate kubernetes and TAP is kind of a joke. All of the other stuff is just window dressing. And nowadays PCF is not so unique ...
I don't like either broadcom or HCL. And I've got several thousand apps running on this thing now. Hopefully I can migrate off before the thumbscrews start tightening.
Business as usual, nothing to see here.
They won’t keep you if you cost 2.5x period.
Bah... Honestly speaking I don't have anything against HCL. If they keep my salary (and in Europe they can't cut it by law in many States) and they keep my flexibility (like WFH, flexibility on time scheduling ecc.. why not? Yes of course it's not a great name like VMware or others I had in the past but at the end who cares? I'm just wondering how they will be able to pay like VMware. Based on glassdoor in Europe a VMware engineer is paid 2,5 times one of HCL.
Did more research and yeah it seems as broadcom found a buyer for tanzu. I see other comments mentioning PSO i dont think thats the case. That has to be about tanzu, the end is coming the question now is when.
I'm quitting. Im done with this sh*t show of a business unit.
I would not be surprised if the Cloud Management BU took on all of Tanzu portfolio. I dont see the Tanzu team lasting much longer.
Notice the press release from HCL makes no mention of tanzu yet states a modern apps and cloud governance partnership exclusively with VMware. Odd for a prternship not to call out the product name. Or perhaps it will be rebranded under Cloud Smart?
How else do you think HCL will staff this "new BU"? HCL a company with an extensive history of partnering with BC on post-acquisition synergies. Does the history of tanzu and its lack of success warrant or suggest 2 BUs are needed?
Not saying the MAPBU is going to see layoffs, we have no clue what numbers will translate, but HCL is the destination. It's right there, you just have to allow yourself to see it even though you don't want to. The other question is when
https://www.hcltech.com/CloudSmart - much smart. ;)
It certainly does check many of the boxes for areas Tanzu covers, or aims to cover, or claims to cover, or might cover one day, or.. much certainty, such revenue,
Does Tanzu actually do anything aside cause heartburn to all who come in contact with it?
Welcome to the first step in the great Tanzu unraveling.
Boss @ Tanzu is nowhere to be found today, lol.... Wonder why.
Yeah if I at PSO I would start getting worried right about now
Uhm... let's not forget that HCL is very famous to buy "trash" products from big IT companies. In the past it tooks some old IBM products like IBM Domino, Rational ecc... so they also do products and R&D.
On the face of it I think they're creating a BU in HCL to drop the VMWARE PS organisation into - look at the Cloudsmart framework on the HCL website, it's full stack cloud consulting.
If this is a new home for PS wonder if it would happen pre-acquisition.
Do you think it will be just for Tanzu Labs? Or you think all the Tanzu organization will be sold? (Products and R&D?)
I don't know how to interpret this but time will tell
Look up Tanzu HCl on Google and then click on the first link...
I read it differently. This looks like the preparation for HCL to take over VMware professional services BU. I’m now interested if PS gets sold off to HCL before the buyout to save on severance payouts.
what happens now with tanzu... what is going on
so HCL bought tanzu?
LOL 🤣 business as usual at Tanzu today
Hey Rah-goo, business as usual? FYYFF
Tanzu = modern application application unit
HCL + VMware = modern application business unit
Tanzu is now redundant.
can someone explain it to me like im 5