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IBM Has to Pay BMC $1.6 Billion for Poaching AT&T Account

How many RAs need to occur to cover this loss?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-31/ibm-must-pay-1-6-billion-in-bmc-case-federal-judge-orders

By: Laurel Brubaker Calkins and Francesca Maglione
May 31, 2022, 10:32 AM CDT Updated on May 31, 2022, 1:30 PM CDT

International Business Machines Corp. must pay $1.6 billion to BMC Software Inc. for swapping in its own software while servicing their mutual client, a federal judge ruled.

US District Judge Gray Miller in Houston on Monday rejected IBM’s claim that the mutual client, AT&T Corp., opted to switch software products on its own. Miller awarded damages based on his earlier determination that IBM’s role in the decision to dump BMC “smacked of intentional wrongdoing.” His judgment came after a seven-day non-jury trial in March.

IBM and BMC had long operated under a carefully negotiated agreement that forbade IBM to encourage mutual clients to switch to its own competing software product line. BMC sued IBM in 2017 claiming its rival planned to breach their agreement and poach AT&T’s software business when the two companies renewed their power-sharing deal in 2015.

IBM countered that AT&T dumped BMC’s products and jumped to IBM for its own reasons, which it claimed was fair game under its pact with BMC.

‘Pennies on the Dollar’

The Armonk, New York, company “believed -- especially in light of BMC’s reluctance to engage in litigation -- that it could ‘always settle for a small percentage of the claim’ or for ‘pennies on the dollar,’” Miller wrote, citing trial evidence. The judge said “IBM’s conduct vis-à-vis BMC offends the sense of justice and propriety the public expects from American business.”

IBM said it had “acted in good faith in every respect in this engagement” and vowed to appeal.

“This verdict is entirely unsupported by fact and law, and IBM intends to pursue complete reversal on appeal,” the company said in a statement. “The decision to remove BMC Software technology from its mainframes rested solely with AT&T, as was recognized by the court and confirmed in testimony from AT&T representatives admitted at trial.”

BMC didn’t immediately respond to a message seeking comment on the ruling.

Punitive Damages

BMC had asked the court to award $791 million for IBM’s breach of their agreement and $104 million for lost profits on the AT&T contract. The Houston-based software company also asked Miller to consider tripling the damages if he found that IBM intentionally interfered with BMC’s client relationship.

Miller agreed that IBM fraudulently induced BMC to sign the 2015 power-sharing agreement barring IBM from poaching mutual clients. He awarded $717.7 million in actual contractual damages, $168.2 million in prejudgment interest and an additional $717.7 million in punitive damages “based on fraud by clear and convincing evidence.” He tacked on post-judgment interest of roughly 2%, compounding annually.

“IBM’s business practices -- including the routine eschewal of rules -- merit a proportional punitive damages award,” he explained.

He rejected BMC’s bid for findings of lost profits, additional breaches of contract and unfair competition but said that if a reviewing court finds that BMC isn’t entitled to the judgment he issued, the company could come back and seek recovery under one of its alternative legal theories.

The judge said he calculated damages using BMC’s fraudulent-inducement theory because it “affords BMC the greatest recovery” of several plausible damages arguments it presented.

The case is BMC Software Inc. v. International Business Machines Corp., 17-cv-02254, US District Court, Southern District of Texas (Houston).

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By: Eric J. Savitz
June 3, 2022 6:12 pm ET

Kyndryl KD –3.34% Holdings has a new problem. And it pits the company against its old parent, IBM IBM –1.28% .

Spun out of IBM (ticker: IBM) last year, Kyndryl (KD) is basically IBM’s old managed IT services business. It is a gigantic company with around $18 billion in sales and a workforce of about 90,000 people.

But Kyndryl is shrinking at the top line, pays no dividend, and is having trouble finding a constituency among investors. The stock is down more than 50% since the spinoff was completed in November. And now the two companies find themselves on the opposite sides of a legal mess that poses considerable risks for Kyndryl.

Earlier this week, IBM was ordered to pay $1.6 billion to the mainframe software company BMC in connection with a five-year-old lawsuit tied to some work it and BMC did for AT&T . IBM was providing mainframe computing services to AT&T, and at some point may or may not have convinced the telco to replace some BMC software it was administering with competitive software from IBM itself. BMC sued, and the federal judge in the case ruled against IBM. Not surprisingly, IBM disagrees with the ruling and plans to appeal.

“This verdict is entirely unsupported by fact and law, and IBM intends to pursue complete reversal on appeal,” IBM said in a statement. “IBM acted in good faith in every respect in this engagement. The decision to remove BMC Software technology from its mainframes rested solely with AT&T, as was recognized by the court and confirmed in testimony from AT&T representatives admitted at trial.”

The problem is that the work in question appears to have been conducted by the slice of IBM that was spun off as Kyndryl. Of course, Kyndryl wasn’t a party to the original lawsuit because it didn’t exist when the case was filed. The issue is whether IBM, or Kyndryl, is really the liable party.

Kyndryl has noted the BMC lawsuit in its financial filings, although without saying explicitly that it could be on the hook for any judgment. But in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday morning, Kyndryl took note of the situation in a way that investors might find worrisome.

The new filing notes that the matters at issue involve operations that were “contributed” to the spinoff. “This judgment is against IBM,” Kyndryl said. “IBM has publicly stated that it plans to appeal the judgment because it believes that the judgment is contrary to the facts and the law, and intends to seek a complete reversal on appeal.”

But the filing also notes that IBM may seek an indemnity from Kyndryl in connection with the case, which is a legalistic way of saying the spinoff may have to get out its checkbook.

In the filing, Kyndryl goes on to say that whether it has liability in the case, and what it might be, is hard to tell right now. That will depend on the outcome of any appeals, determination of any insurance coverage, and an “a definitive assessment of Kyndryl’s indemnity obligations.” All of that, Kyndryl says, could take several years to play out.

What makes this so tricky is that IBM and Kyndryl remain tightly connected. IBM still owns a stake in Kyndryl. Each is an important customer of the other.

It is in their interest to avoid having a public spat, if possible. But a $1.6 billion verdict, which will only grow over time due to interest expense, not to mention legal fees, is big money. Actually paying a judgment of that size would be painful for IBM, but it would be a disaster for Kyndryl, which has a market capitalization of $2.6 billion, and an enterprise value of $3.7 billion, with $1.1 billion in net debt.

Kyndryl is trying hard to fix its business, and sees a path to return to growth by 2025. But to get there will require investment in the business. Paying that whole $1.6 billion verdict, if Kyndryl had to do so, would be devastating.

Kyndryl shares slumped more than 11% on Friday, to $11.45.

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Post ID: @bozj+1h0sl9dM

Not so fast It looks like Kyndryl may be on the hook for the mismanagement

https://www.barrons.com/articles/kyndryl-ibm-bmc-stock-lawsuit-51654294302

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Post ID: @8uxo+1h0sl9dM

Enter all the pro IBMers that frequent this site and whine about the trolls. Come, dragon warriors, IBM has never needed you more.

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Post ID: @5yre+1h0sl9dM

Wow - if you are a supplier to IBM, better really check your contract...

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Post ID: @4nae+1h0sl9dM

That must be why HR is working on project Tsunami... Got to pay for that 1.6 B somehow!

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Post ID: @1hsi+1h0sl9dM

What does BMC sell that IBM competes with?

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Post ID: @1aje+1h0sl9dM
“IBM’s business practices -- including the routine eschewal of rules -- merit a
proportional punitive damages award,” he explained.

". . .eschewal of rules. . ." Surely there must be several egregious violations of BCG by the folks responsible for this. Hopefully heads roll.

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Post ID: @1fcd+1h0sl9dM

Corruption, lying, bullying, incompetent/lazy management, and age discrimination have all become staples at IBM ... really heartbreaking to see how far IBM has fallen in the past decade. 😞

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15k

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