Quick question. I landed an interview with another company. I wasn't previously employed at XOM and have been put on PIP and fired after that. Should I mention that on the interview or keep quiet about that. I’m sure the question about my departure from XOM will come up.
Is there any way they can check that, and do other companies go that far to check out this information? Being PIP-ed and then fired definitely is something that doesn’t look good.
Has anyone been in this situation?
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OP you are either saying this tongue in cheek or you're half a ta-d. Tell them about the staggering attrition numbers and say you're glad to be in a better position.
“Should I be honest to my new employees?”
Nowadays, nobody really gives AF.
People openly discuss job searches, managers are totally checked out, and executives are stripping their own companies for spare parts. There’s something consistently pathetic and defeatist about modern corporate culture.
So yes, go ahead and tell them the truth. They won’t care. Neither will anyone else.
This is d-mb post. Xom lifers that have never worked anywhere else don't know to handle themselves outside of this system.
Use your head.
Don’t say a thing. Just move on to the job.
@OP - are you kidding me ? Are you really serious ? Why on earth would you tell them that you were NSI'd, PIP'd or give them ANY reason to think that your performance might have been poor ? (On the other hand, the fact that you're asking this question suggests that you're not the sharpest tool in the shed !)
Just tell them that unfortunately, you were just generally one of the employees affected by the widespread staffing reductions across the entire oil and gas industry. Most recruiters know about this already and you can explain that it's a layoff program in all but name.
Why fall on your sword? If they ask be correct without lying but don’t tell them your whole life story - it’s none of their business. Get the new job, move on and do good things. Look at the UA CEO - he fu---d UA up even more and got a 7 mil handshake.
You worked at Exxon. Now you dont. End of story.
Don’t let some hiccups define your path forward. Or let some mo--n HR stain sc--w you again.
Honesty is always the best path. Tell them how EM managers have weaponized the assessment process to weed out people who haven’t drunk the WAEM cult kool-aid. Tell them that you valued your technical integrity, but your managers did not and that you were relieved to get away from that toxic culture. Tell them you are looking forward to joining an organization where you can be allowed to show what you can do and be compensated fairly based on merit, not politics.
It should be adequate to describe your departure from EM as “layoff” or “Headcount Reduction”.
Mentioning PIP might have infer that you were poor performer. I saw so many people PIP’d that were absolutely fully productive at their jobs and only lacked in politics and brown nosing.
I would tell them you were PIP'd and then tell them how EM uses this process to lay off employees at a reduced financial burden to the company. I have not been PIP'd but still hunting for another job. When I explained in an interview, that I was leaving because of the archaic forced distribution ranking system, among other things, the interviewer looked surprised when I got done explaining the details. She asked me how do you retain people under this structure, I replied we aren't, she asked how collaboration is I said there really isn't, and then she asked what happens after a few years when you only have VG and up people left that get put towards the bottom to which I replied jokingly, "You have people like me sitting here talking to fine folks like yourself". She just laughed and shook her head in disbelief and I now have a second interview scheduled. It seems like every other company out there has learned that old world ranking system does not produce "top performers" it creates an environment divided into silos, backstabbers, promotions based more on sponsorship vs talent, and discourages the true hard workers of the company. I often wonder if some of the uppers actually know how bad it's gotten because there are so many levels of management worrying about their own ranking that don't want to send up bad information that would hurt their own ranking while the folks under them are all running to keep up and most times aren't keeping up. Let's do another survey to see why moral is low and attrition is high.......
No, don’t mention it. And they won’t look into it. Exxon won’t say anything besides confirming dates of employment and job title for fear of a lawsuit.
Absolutely! Tell them you were PIPd and go ahead and clear that up by telling them why you think you were put on the plan and what led to termination or separation.
Then proceed to continue applying with other companies.