I don't understand what's the point of you staying. You hate the company so you're miserable, but you're also not productive so you're not good to Ford or your coworkers who probably have to pick up the slack. Honestly, what do you get from just going around and bad-mouthing your employer while staying employed with the same company?
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To the OP, leave? LOL, so Ford can sell software and services while forgetting how to make fu----g cars? There's people that enjoy doing what they do even if the company is blatantly abandoning these people. EVs are a fashion trend right now and not sustainable for Ford, they cannot beat Tesla at their own game.
You obviously have not worked for the company for a decade or longer. As I speak for the senior employees who have staked their money in the company's future for at least 10 to 20 years.... we may not like Ford for all the promises through the years that have been broken.... for the raises we didnt receieve..the bonuses we never recieved....the outrageous health care cost..... I could go on... However; I will say..... regardless how we feel.... we have a good work ethic and will always do our best.... period!
Concur with @2tqy+1gBGF5ue
My nephew came into the FCG program 6 years ago. He resigned last week.
The first 3 years were all sunshine and roses and he parroted back all the tag lines the FCG are fed about how the old timers need to go and the FCG will save the world. After his FCG rotations were over he saw what Ford was really like and how he was stuck doing one small task for years on end, and suddenly the light was shining on the new crop of FCG. He was warned about this before he hired on, but ignored the warnings. At least he learned quickly and exited.
The thing about Ford royalty is that when a mini-king retires/“resigns”, all their clan is pushed out by the remaining mini-kings. Their power games and fights to retain power are brutal and have zero benefit to Ford, yet they continue to br Ford’s downfall.
It's not nearly as binary as you cast it. You can make those kinds of statements when you're probably treated like royalty in which the Ford world is your oyster. Fast forward a number of years to our world, most notably those likely over 40 and or approaching Ford status in which we're deemed the problem who by virtue can't be part of the solution.
Many of us have not only established roots like one of the previous poster describes but also are on GRP. GRP really starts to pay the closer one approaches a retirement milestone, making it impossible to just up and quit.
The only job placement program that really works is the FCG program- outside of DEI initiatives and even those are a lot of talk. Everybody else is left to JOL, which very rarely does anybody any good. They're going to default to the HM's who most always want to hire from the outside.
Many of us more senior employees can't get out of our positions for a variety of reasons and understand that we're left to infinite forces we cannot control once we hit the apply button. Hiring managers are then all too happy to say one of two things, 1. "Sorry boss but no good candidates out there." Or, "we can't get the good qualified internal candidate." No problem..
They go hire from the outside (who they really want in the first place) and hit the "Easy Button." Meanwhile, the Ford employment ranks swell and the company actually starts to realize a negative return on their personnel dollars. It's inconceivable to me that Ford stifles some outstanding more senior employees in place of unproven entities time and again. So we have the choice of continuing to be outstanding employees or drifting toward deadwood once we determine we can leave either by forced action or voluntarily. After all, we're probably stuck in the same cr---y job nobody else wants anyway. More and more are drifting toward deadwood, knowing they'll probably make it at least a little longer while accumulating more pension and drawing a paycheck. Kind of the double bonus.
It would be so easy for the company to reverse this even in steps and really get people in the right seats. The return would be infinite but alas they'll continue to struggle with the same conundrum year after year and that is what to do with the swelling GSR/LL6 ranks. Bewildering...
to OP:
And why should I?
I am a janitor at Ford and I make well into the six figures.
Wondering how? Let me explain. Consider A-B-C. I am the B.
I take the cr@p that A gives me, "clean" it up and give it to B. Then B gives me some of her special cr@p, I "clean" it up and send it to A. A and C would never want to get into the $hit cleanup that I do for them so they are happy with me. So why leave?
YES, it is sad. But if I say or do anything my a$$ will be out just like some of the finest engineers/managers I knew.
Besides my wife as a great job and I am too invested to leave now.
OP+1gBGF5ue lsm+1gBGF5ue You two are a real piece of work. BTW History has shown when a high-level white male executive left Ford they did much better outside
Iacocca Chrysler
Lutz Chrysler & GM
Those old White makes knew their customer. I have not seen that since Ford 2000.
I would agree the current crop is clueless again been like that since F2000.
For the record. Bob Lutz was the one who had the original Explorer program approved before he left Ford.
I have not seen that type of leadership since then. JF is a "PRETENDER" Not a leader or a visionary. A political animal with nothing to show for a proven track record to be called a product guy. In fact, since he came in. Our market share has shrunk. BF & JF are nothing but BEEVIS & BU-----D. Both of them do not even have anything close to Elon for accomplishments. Bill Fired buy his own family in 06, The Lions. Farley HIS SHELF OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE EMPTY.
Folks, with the OP and the guy with 24 downvotes I think we've found 2 of the woke Ford workers who actually urged BF to stop building police vehicles because they are "mean".
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@OP. Sure, I can leave the company. But why would I do something that hurts me and makes life easier to the clueless management? I'd get a package, unemployment, COBRA benefits, if I am let go by the company. If I leave by myself, I'd get nothing.
If the CEO is talking trash of the employees PUBLICLY, I don't see why I cannot do the same here about the CEO and their acolytes. If you don't like it, you can leave the company or stop visiting this website. Your problem, not mine!
BTW, FCG means "Fresh Cut Grass", and it seems OP, that you have been smoking it too long and not paying attention to the world around you. Some of those Engineers you sneer at, have more knowledge than you and the rest of your class combine will ever have.
Feeling all mighty because you can use a computer? It is like a child proud because he/she can operate the light switch in a room. Just because you were born in the computer age, does NOT MAKE YOU ESPECIAL! There are many id--ts like you, thinking they know how to use a computer, but in real life, are just clowns. Making PowerPoint slides for managers does not make you a "computer guru".
To the OP, since you're so much better than us you should post your CDSID.
Wow what a bitter and hateful post, not to mention your hypocrisy. Your the one generalizing people.
You need to leave. Easy to hide, keyboard warrior. Let's see you read off your hateful post and have it video recorded. Ford might be liberal, but even Ford HR wouldn't put up with that post.
When an employee joins a company there is no 'hate.' The employee is proud and wants to prove themselves and to show the company they made a great decision in hiring them. The employee 'bleeds Ford blue' in Ford's case.
Instead of hate, let's use the term disassociation. After the employee's perception of the company is shattered, due to a variety of reasons, this disassociation creeps in and gets worse over time.
Over an employees career, there are constant reorgs that show the company has no idea what it is doing. You have leadership degrading their employees. You get the same pay raise as the slackers on your team or there are pay cuts/freezes. There's no recognition for a job well done. There's no opportunities for promotions. Leadership plays favorites. There's frequent/constant layoffs (revolving door of hirings/firings). There's red tape in doing your job when a 1 week minor change takes 2 months. Countless, worthless meetings. Lack of training in the role. The list is endless and these are but a handful of events that may cause a schism to occur between a company and employee.
Over the years these things build up and the employee is too far invested in their home, friends, children's school district, etc. to walk away and just 'find a new job.' Ultimately, the once promising career simply becomes just another job, staring at the ceiling while laying in bed after the alarm goes off reflecting on your decisions in life.
Ford hires people as woke as @lsm+1gBGF5ue ??
Wow, the company's health is worse than I imagined. No wonder we are the leader in recalls and poor quality.
FCG? Do you know how worthless and incompetent you are? Would you like me to tell you?
But yet - here you are on a layoff site bad mouthing your colleagues. Must be a member of the good ole boy club.
Talk about tone deaf clueless. You must be a LL5+.