They have given me 21 days to decide between PIP or PIL.
Very demoralizing.
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@OP - I’m sorry that you were targeted for PIP. The same thing happened to me last July. I am sure, like me, your true performance was not in the bottom 8% and that you picked for other reasons (e.g. age or years of service, type of job/skills, or poor relationship with your supervisor).
Save yourself the humiliation of the PIP. It is NOT designed to help you; it is designed to fail you. Even if you somehow manage to pass (because they need a few to pass for legal reasons), your card is marked for future dismissal. Passing the PIP will require you to convince 3 levels of management, HR and Law that you can maintain a consistent “Good” rating in the future. Considering that the aim of the NSI rating is now to eliminate 8-10% of the workforce, this isn’t going to happen.
So what I did and take the PIL option, but don’t be like me and just be in a daze for a month (in disbelief at what happened, wondering how and why your ranking dropped so much). Take the 3 month’s salary and any re-training or job-seeking assistance that is offered (although Right Management are pretty useless). Also, take any of your remaining flexible holidays before you give them your decision and make sure that you and your timekeeper have an agreed written record of your unused 2021 vacation days (so you get paid for them too).
Don’t give the company any more of your effort, knowledge or time (as they’ve made it clear that you weren’t important enough or your contributions valuable enough to keep you employed). Get straight onto updating and polishing your resume - maybe even making 3 or 4 versions that out the emphasis on different skill sets - and then get onto every job hunting website that you can think of (before the rush starts again). Although it hasn’t helped me yet, also think about building up your connections on sites like LinkedIn - you never know who might be looking for someone like you !
Finally, prepare a goodbye e-mail to everyone that you would like keep in touch with - including your private e-mail and cell phone number. When I told my boss that I was taking the PIL option, I was shocked to get a call from him the next day to say that my GME user ID was to be closed and deactivated by the end of the day. I assume that was to avoid the risk of me going through all of my files and copying or deleting everything.
Best of luck to you.
Imagine if the PIP process was truly objective at ALL levels within the organization. We would lose ALL the BS artists, boot lickers, token hires, etc. etc.
ALL the truly Pathetic Incompetent People (PIP) would be gone and the void would be filled by competent people. Sorry, I dozed off for a minute and was dreaming!
Are you the lobbyist?
Run as fast as you can and rejoin the human race. Leave this cult and never look back.
@1doo+1bBwuDAj - NOT OP But your post makes no sense. What are you trying to say?
OP your career is over. Sure, you can try to survive PIL and have your managers abuse you to do all sorts of tricks for the fun of it. Last year they made my colleague present on a subject what she didn’t believe in, it was hilarious! For everyone knowing she was PIP! What a show!
She will always be labelled as NSI.
Contested by who? The state? Many people that I knew that had issues claiming it was the company contesting their unemployment was due to them submitting incomplete or wrong information.
I suggest to go for PIL. With PIP, you'll have a tattoo on your forehead saying you're a loser, not worthy, so demoralizing indeed. Sign the PIL, turn in your badge, and don't transition anything.
What about PIL timing? Do the 3 months start when you tell the company your decision?
Is it advantageous to take the full 21 days in order to maximize your time in the payroll?
@zih Kicking someone when they’re down eh? Classy.
Don’t worry, sooner or later EM will throw you under the bus too. It’s just a matter of time.
May God and Jesus bless you All and your for a better way of life outside of ExxonMobil that have been and are about to be PIPed.
Unemployment will not be contested. I know several people who were PIP’d last year who were able to claim and receive unemployment insurance (UI) payments.
Even if you take the PIL and “resign” the process was initiated by the company and therefore is treated as a firing with no gross negligence.
Collect your PIL. Find your next great opportunity. If it takes a little longer than three months to find it, then claim and collect your UI. You will find something great and can say good riddance to an unethical company.
mye+1bBwuDAj unemployment was not contested. Texas required you to verify ID and if you forgot to, they suspended benefits and at first glance appeared XOM was contesting, but after you verified identity, they restarted it.
As long as there was no gross negligence, for Texas unemployment it doesn’t really matter if your take PIL or fail a PIP. (Though note for PIL you’re still on payroll until the end of the period, so you’ll have to wait until after to claim unemployment.) The truth is you were given the option to resign and if not you’d be fired (absent negligence), in which case TWC treats it as valid for unemployment benefits.
Fyi - Unemployment was contested for laid off persons even though valid by rules...
Unemployment not impacted. Poor performance is highly subjective. All you need to claim is that you "worked to the best of your ability", and the government will give it to you either after PIL or PIP.
@OP+1bBwuDAj
I am sorry to hear about that. I am sure that you’ll bounce back to an even better position. I found out that XOM salaries and benefits are not better than other companies’.
@tyy+1bBwuDAj and @xdb+1bBwuDAj
Does taking the PIL early accelerate your time for leaving the payroll? For example, if you take the PIL on 7/1, will you go off payroll on 9/30 whereas if you wait until 7/21, you’d go off payroll on 10/20?
@tyy+1bBwuDAj
“If you are fired after a PIP, you are not eligible for unemployment.”
Is this right? I thought poor performance is not a sufficient reason for denying unemployment; only gross misconduct is. (XOM isn’t defining not passing PIP as gross misconduct, is it? I hope not.)
Plenty of opportunity out there. It’s not you, it’s EM.
You are the 1st of many more to come. As Reuters said last week. This is EM’s new norm. Best to take the PIL and run. Sorry for the stress this is causing, congratulations on your new found freedom.
So PIL is still being offered. Some rumours say that PIL is not offered in this ranking cycle.
Taking the PIL allows you to devote all of your time to finding alternative employment. It will also give you a three month lead time on those that elect the PIP option to find out that they will be fired three months later.
After the 3 month PIL benefits are up, you can also apply for unemployment benefits which the company has said that they will not contest.
If you are fired after a PIP, you are not eligible for unemployment.
Even passing the PIP means you are in the bottom of the ranking for the rest of your career with zero chance of a raise.
Sorry to hear this. I was Pipd last year. Turn in your papers on the last day. The job market is good so hopefully you will be able get a job you like. Getting Pipd was maybe one of the best things that has happened to me. I have moved on and am much happier now.
Another wave in Annandale
This could be the best thing to happen to us when looking back on it. They are allowing us to jump off the sinking ship early in the business decline cycle.
The blood letting began in Baton Rouge early this week and will continue till
Mid July
I was PIPd yesterday as well and I took the PIL on the spot. Moving on>>>>
I’d likely go the PIL route and do zero hand over. Sorry this happened to you.
Lol you must have been terrible. Now go reflect on why are you a drag to your team.
So not even Julyteenth already.
Hard to believe.
@OP, wow - sorry to hear this. Our management at EMHC stated communications would be made in early to mid-July. Where are you located?