The company is taking a very big risk to protect the current P and BA positions. And why wouldn’t they? The current P and BA are nothing but yes men for the company. The P would make a better HR manger with the way he advocates for the company. Today, the men who are campaigning for those positions were asked by the company to leave the property. They were told they could not campaign. More shady sh-t that indicates, clear as day, that the company prefers to deal with the current clowns because there is no resistance, the company gets everything they want without a fight! The company is playing with fire in attempt to keep their puppets in power. If you can’t see how deep in bed the P and BA are with the company, you never will. P is little spoon, no doubt.
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Meanwhile with all this spooning fetish going on the company is counting how many of us they are going to layoff. This will be the final divide of this broken union and cherry system. Get ready to give back more to the company!
Is it really Union busting when most of the officers are in bed with the company and stealing our money for their own personal benefit? That Union busting BS is what keeps the good ones quiet. It’s nothing but intimidation meant to silence the ones who aren’t corrupt. It’s over. There’s no saving 301 as it is, there will only be rebuilding if we’re lucky. Why the F would anyone support the sh-t that goes on there?
Heres an idea... perhaps the union would be better off and stronger if members didn't constantly go on the internet and tear other members down all the time!! Instead they should be building people up and supporting their fellow union members! When Union members are undermining there Brothers and Sisters at every turn, the Company is the one that benefits. It is Union Busting! Except it's not the Company doing it. They just sit back and laugh and enjoy the show. Be part of the solution or STFU. Happy Thanksgiving
JC most likely does have whistle blower protection for all we know. That’s not something anyone would announce, especially during an investigation. Countersuing is a defense. I’d countersue the sh-t out of the people who allowed that sh-t to happen and then protected him. Who wouldn’t? RM got lawyers involved first, RM is the reason some very smart people started looking at the sh-Tshow he created. Next thing you know the U.S. DOL shows up. Coincidence? I think not.
JC is too busy suing everyone, including Local 301, trying to go for the deep pockets. If he really wanted to "pull the lid" on all of this stuff. He could have gotten "whistle blowing protection" under the law.
JC was right. Chain of events since then is pretty clear. He won’t talk about it. Apparently he’s still dealing with the lawsuit that RM put against him. RM started the sh-t yet the current BA tried to tell everyone that JC is suing the Union like he started it. Everyone knows RM started with the lawsuits. Guess what? It’s public information on the Saratoga County Records website. Request permission to get into the site, they’ll give to you, put in RM name. You can read everything. All evidence is there showing that JC told the truth. It says there’s more evidence that isn’t shown. JC knew too much.
Why do you, 301 members, worry so much about this cr_p? A union, regardless of who is in leadership positions, can't save jobs when demand is down. Little be real compared to 10 years demand has fallen off the cliff. I grant you some nuisances can be argued over but the biggies, less staff and a two tier wage system can't be. Don't agree to do and work move out Schenectady faster. That is FACT.
Mind you I have no dog in the hunt in terms who should or shouldn't be union officers. Just saying, overall
it's makes no difference.
Does anyone know what happen and why jc is no longer available, he stood up against the ba and the ba didn't like that he was going to shed light on the bs going on with the hall and lost his position because of it
I'm not here to tell anyone who or how they should vote but I will say take into consideration the chain if events that has happened if you are happy then by all mines that's your choice if you arent then don't be afraid to show your disapproval and let your voices be heard those in office and on the floor all got there because that's who some wanted and remember not everyone is perfect and not everything is going to go your way but this give give give chit and the union throwing people under the bus because they want to protect other union officials needs to change or else none of you will be there in the future
Current BA selling pills is just the tip of the iceberg. Where’s the ex BA been? What’s he been up to? I know! THEY know too.
Hey, BOOM. You are going to feel like such a fool someday soon. You’re either one of them and purposely lying on here or you are that blind and believe their BS. I can provide the information, I can’t make people believe it. Doesn’t make it less true, the right people, the ones who can actually clean up this convoluted mess, are collecting (and have been collecting) everything they need to. It will help the membership, that’s all that matters.
I just found out first hand how corrupt the current admin is at the hall and on the floor you have a ba telling you theres nothing he can do to save your job and a steward telling people not to go to hr about another employee. Just know one thing I know more about the ba then he thinks I know like him selling pills to the people in the windstand on 1st shift. All the months I've dealt with someone harassing me trying to intimidate me I let it go because I didnt want to be looked at, as a rat from getting threatened having a Google printout of my address posted on a bulletin board to who knows what else, have fun with the current scumbags in the office and on the floor although their may be some good ones the ones I know can eat chit.
He should have spoken up. I can’t speak for why he didn’t then and I can’t speak for why he doesn’t now. I do know that a lot of brainwashing goes on, you’re told that if you publicly go against other Union officials it’s considered “Union busting” and you could be deemed a “member in bad standing.” Since the company enjoys the benefit of Union officials that give no resistance, you better believe you’ll feel it if you start to make too much noise. You’ll get it from both sides. For those reasons alone some guys choose to stay quiet and do their best to make change and help the membership from within. But staying quiet doesn’t work, it’s impossible. The problem is deep but it’s going to be taken care of. Until then, hold them accountable. Don’t accept the excuses and BS. There are always excuses and explanations that don’t make sense. Why are they accepted? They shouldn’t be.
The VP is the biggest POS at the hall! PERIOD! Its laughable that the same person comes on here week after week and trashes the current P and BA (and former officers) about corruption and investigations but yet the VP is on some sort of pedestal??? and innocent?? How is that? He's been at the Hall for years! Oh let me guess, the others keep him in the dark all the time and he doesn't really know whats going on there. How convenient! If thats true then why would he stick with the same ones that treat him that way and not run on his own?? Give us a break!! Ill tell you why, because he sits in his cushy office all day, gets paid a stipend and 16 hours of pay that comes from our Union Dues and doesn't have any balls!! Thats why! BOOM!! He not only signed the consolidation agreement, he negotiated every piece of it!! Then, when it wasn't politically convenient, he acted like he was opposed to it the whole time. Or that he opposed the parts that the membership dislikes the most. What a crock of sh–!! ZERO COURAGE! At least the other ones had the leadership to own what they thought was best for the membership!! I at least have respect for that, even if I don't agree with everything in the agreement!
To: Mrs. believe me or not, you'll see
I will remind you that the VP sat in front of all of us at Proctor's and pushed for this Agreement to be passed. I didn't hear him disagree with anything during these meetings. I haven't heard him disagree with anything at any place where any of the key players have been present. At least none of the union meetings I've been to. Plenty of opportunities. Yet, he is our savior? Or the only honest one? Not buying it, but ok.
If SG showed a copy of all signatures and called it the signature page of the final Consolidation Agreement then yes, he is lying and it is falsified. SG is no longer in his position, TO in HR is no longer there, RM is no longer in his position...has anyone that there might be reasons for that? Of course, the company and Union would want the reasons kept secret. There are investigations that take place at low levels that are not criminal, and then there are much bigger criminal investigations. Those take longer. Ask the VP if he signed it. Ask him to go together to HR or Union hall and view a final copy with him. There is corruption around this Consolidation Agreement, it is dirty.
Not a chance in hell I’d run for a Union position. I tried speaking out and making my concerns heard a long time ago. Then I tried going through the proper channels and got nowhere. When the company, the National, and top 2 Union officials benefit from the corruption nobody wanted to make the necessary changes. They all looked the other way. I did what I had to do. Unless you’re one of them you’ll be thanking me someday. Think what you want, it won’t change the inevitable.
To: "Mr. Find you'd balls" and "someone who had enough of the BS"
I've been to a lot of membership meetings, and I'm yet to see or hear about someone bringging up these points an passionately as you do.
Seems to me like you have to lead by example. Or maybe you like the 16 hrs of salary plus a stipend and are to afraid to speak up, VP?
So you're telling me, that the VP, who is supposed to fight for us has sat there and them lie to us, and lie to us about him. After all of this, he still decides to run for re-election with them?
The copy that Stand G. showed during our 3rd shift all-hands meeting had all the signatures and I didn't hear a peep about it from the VP or ABA.
Did the company falsify this too? If they did, they should be held accountable!
The VP did not sign the Consolidation Agreement. The P tries to show the DRAFT signature page. That DRAFT signature page was signed for the first half of the agreement ONLY and it was tentative. The P is purposely lying to make it look like the VP signed. The only officials from Union hall who signed that sweetheart deal was the current P and ex BA. You people who believe the P are being played for fools. It’s sad. It is your right to see a copy of the official, signed, Consolidation Agreement. NOT A DRAFT COPY! Yet you accept what they show you along with their BS excuses. Man up and demand what you have a right to instead of cowering down.
I don’t know how long, nobody except the investigators know. I am literally telling you, and them, and they still think they’re getting away with sh-t. Classic and truly funny stuff. That makes it even better,15 months in the making and not one fool had a clue. It goes on until it’s done. Keep doing your thing while they do theirs, ignore what I say if you don’t like it. Only time will show I know exactly what I’m talking about because I made it happen.
I will be honest whoever it is. You keep saying investigation this and that. Hold tight and they will be out in a matter of time. When all the dust settles with investigation. I will GUARANTEE nobody will be out of the hall because of this investigation. You have been saying this for so long it coming it’s coming. You constantly say oh it takes time. Put it to bed and stop wishing your life away. Again nobody will leave the hall because of the investigation that you are talking about. Give us a break move on to another topic to complain about. Get over it we have a lot of work to do. And I guarantee nobody will dethrone the kings. You will see. Oh by the way how long do we still have to wait?
Seems to me like the VP has been there a long time, and has been ineffective. Seems like 16hrs of salary plus a stipend, paid directly from our pockets is an awful lot to pay for someone who has sat and watched this happen. In the last 6yrs all of this has happened, with out him calling anyone out directly in an official meeting. Maybe he likes his cushy job too much and doesn't want to upset anyone that will take him out of there. BTW he also signed the Consolidation Agreement, check the signatures in the official copy.
This is being taken care of. A lot of information was given to the right people a while ago. Thorough investigations take time. Hold tight, their days are numbered. The VP will be the last man standing when the dust settles, he’s the only one worth keeping. Why quit when you have the knowledge and overwhelming evidence to solve the problem? You’ll thank me someday.
In my opinion the current vp now is the only person that has challenged the current p and ba and the prior ba and got shot down everytime hes the only one that has actually looked out for the best interest of the people and not himself, or his buddies.
The union and company are infested with rats from the top at the hall to mid level union officials, give give give thats all that union has done, maybe its time for some fresh blood from bottom to top. I hope any membership doesn't expect anything to change with the current admin/buddy buddy system now. A union is suppose to be like a family of course theres gonna be differences but for the most part family backs one another regardless of right wrong or indifference. I've seen so much union wring doing in the 8 years I've been there that its almost like the employees would be better off without union backing. Maybe the time has come to make change be it continue with a union or not, until the union steps up and does what they are suppose to do nothing within that business or the hall will change!
Where does the leave the VP? He has been there for a long time as well.
If it’s that bad than you should quit!