So 11 LOCs and approx 10,000 employees were affected by announcement a few weeks that ago the LOCs are now permanently closed and we will continue working from home "for now", and we will hear more by end of 2nd quarter 2021. Any chance they keep any us working from home or you think we are going to have to go to a hub or leave the company. If we don't take jobs in HUB and WFH not offered, hopefully a severance package is offered. What do you think folks?
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Prior to the pandemic, we know their plan was not to relocate these 10,000 employees working in the remaining LOCs to hubs. The goal was to replace these employees with new hires in the hubs at much lower salaries and benefits. Hopefully they will offer severance to people who want to leave the company instead of taking a “hunger games” type approach of making employees reapply for a smaller pool of jobs over and over like they have in the past. There is nothing more demoralizing than having to reapply for your same job.
Unfortunately I agree with this sentiment. I am a 25 year employee. I have 0 confidence in Executive management. They used Covid to close the offices to eventually get rid of 10,000 employees. I just need a few more years then I am done. I look forward to leaving the dishonesty behind.
What they sell to the employee and the customer is the total opposite of what they do behind closed doors. Their lies and corruption will eventually bring them to their knees. I can understand a disgruntled employee here and there but when it's a majority of the workforce? The business will eventually pay the price in one form or another.
Also look at their target market...the PC crowd! They bragged about 68% of new hires being minorities and stated they are going to do more. That means the more tenured white workforce, mainly in the LOC, has to go. That type of hiring only really happens in Atlanta, Dallas and Phoenix!
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sf is opening itself up to an eeoc lawsuit of magnitude they cannot imagine.
Stand up.....Bend over.....Kick you in the butt...Thank you for all you do!! Good bye!!
@2yyp. Why? Because others with same job class can't. They will lose span of control. Also not cost effective when they can hire for less. Sorry but I am telling the truth. The bottom line the way they think is you are disposable. The sooner associates realize they don't care about you, the better off you will be.
The are not going to offer relo packages to all of these claims people. Why not just let them wfh and let attrition take care of them? When one leaves, replace them in the hub.
Thanks for playing, we have some wonderful parting gifts for you.
Yup business is business and the "all about me" attitude will leave no workers to keep the billion dollar yacht afloat. The "I got mine and to heck with you" will always let the devil pay his dues. Wait a time with patience.....
business is business
Thanks, exactly, I have known good people at SF for decades and some have changed so much and/or aren't comfortable speaking out. When you talk to them off-line they say whatever you do, don't buck the system or they will get you out the door no matter what level you are at. People just run scared for their jobs and try to stay below the radar and "appear" engaged. This is the new word... this is just repeated over and over...an "engaged workforce...we need "engaged employees". Someone made a great comment about SF on a previous post about SF being the spouse that has been repeatedly caught lying and cheating...you never believe them when they say ...trust me I had to "work late" or the "meeting" ran over. Once a lying...cheater always a lying..cheater! If you stay in that deal...then it is on you and don't act surprised or your not prepared if you come home and find them banging the neighbor again! SF is what it is...and yes only time will tell....Captain obvious!
@pyg. VERY WELL SAID. Fact! The sooner the workforce understand their motives, the easier it is to adapt. Titles are not to be trusted at any cost.
Once they are done using the WFH people.... ITS OVER.
We’ll know when we know. Just like always. People writing self aggrandizing
fantasy novels as replies don’t change that.
Past behavior is usually a perfect predictor of future behavior:
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that [is] it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not before." -Rahm Emanuel
With that said: Remember the elite's and CEO alllll read the same books, talk to the same people, and have the same delusions of grandeur.
SF does not want an experienced, tenured work force. It cost's too much as people stay/get paid more. They kept enough knowledge/experience around to get to the next phase of the new model but they will finish trying to get rid of salary and limiting future pension expense.
SF changed the pension plan for new hires, that means they are going to hire a lot of new employees which means a lot of the tenured employees have to go! The pension will go away soon enough.
Agency is about the get theirs! Everyone beyond the mental capacity of a small child understands a store front is not the future of any business!
SF has been waiting for a down turn to put the screws to everyone! For the last 7-8 Exec briefings MT cried because employees were forcing him to make some changes, but the last one he was happy as a lark and did not shed a tear because he thinks the plan is back on track 100%. Get's to get rid of so called "dead weight". F-ck them while the job market is bad/down because they have no other place to go!
The WFH for the LOC will last a year or two at most. Prepare! MT wants to be a technology company that happens to sell insurance. Not an insurance company that has great technology.
I think the days of mass moves are over. It will be layoffs and I will not be surprised to see a change to the HR policy/transition plans/severance. Watch for HR updates and the ones they will not tell us about. Don't be surprised too when alllllll employees including TM/SMs have to reapply for their jobs (again) as they will tell everyone they want only the best! It gives them shade to avoid lawsuits and mainly age discrimination law suits.
Insurance companies can have 2 business models:
Old way-highly trained, more professional employees... underwriters, claim reps, trainers... that do a great job pricing the business and/or ensuring we pay what we owe and excellent claim handling. Some inefficiency built in to make sure decision are not done on the fly and/or options/cost are considered. Employee centric vs. technology/number centric!
New way today-a poorly trained transient work force that is low skilled, low wage with limited capacity to do more. Marginal customer services, high turnover, and stress agile/leanness knowing and accepting incorrect claim payments/service as a cost of doing business. Sees technology making up the difference in cost and to eliminate people and control expenses.
Both have about the same result financially-one way creates a wonderful place to work and the other creates the sh-t hole that exists today with people just going through the motions to survive another day. Our overall expense ratio is just now getting back to the levels they were before the new model stuff started. (trolls on here... I can provide the numbers if you need them..so don't start) The growth/and policy loss...averaged out for the last 5 year is around 133,000 new autos on average! Geico and Progressive have added almost 2 million on average!
Also look at their target market...the PC crowd! They bragged about 68% of new hires being minorities and stated they are going to do more. That means the more tenured white workforce, mainly in the LOC, has to go. That type of hiring only really happens in Atlanta, Dallas and Phoenix! Once you make a deal with the devil there is no turning back!
So...I think there will be limited opportunity to move to the hub and work from home. It think WFH will be available for a lot of the Hub employee's but only for those they choose to keep.
Once they start all the consolidation that Exec has told everyone we are going to do, we will not need the people. Underwriting will be automated and most of the simple call center/U/W and claim functions duplicated across the departments will be consolidated to CCC. (they have told everyone this I just don't think people understand what that means to staffing)
With SF.... no matter where you are at...do not plan on a long term future with SF. Few will be lucky! MT even stated on an Exec briefing that he will make no statements regarding job security at SF. A transient work force—SF and all companies, it is the new operating business model. Employees are liabilities not assets! If you can always remember that Exec/CEO mentality then you will always have the right answer.
Save money, update your resume, have a plan A, B & C! Know Execs are lying as soon as they open their mouth, do not have your best interest at heart, don't care what happens to you, and will say or do anything to keep their job/lifestyle.