So as opposed to just apply i figured I would query this board since I frequent my current employer's board. I work at that other company in Dearborn. Peak clown world. Mid career white male in engineering. Would it be worth the adventure? Or would I just hop out of the pot into the fire? This is not an attempt at trolling. Both companies have their issues, just doing it for a market pay bump and a change.
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Don't. The company is Dearborn has better quality people working and also some work actually gets done compared to GM.
They are all racist and s-xist.I know of an older manager bonking a female employee that everyone knows about , but one person saw something odd and he was laid off. PhD holder, young guy in his 20s.
You never know when they will axe you. Also you will get caught in this ugly routine of not doing anything and speaking it up and get involved in unnecessary politics. If you choose to talk about your product at the management level, your colleagues will judge you.
They pay isn't that great either. Like someone above said, it will solely be based on your years of experience and I can already see where it will be.
GM culture is absolutely the worst. They do not mean a word they say they do. Lip service only. If you can put up with the BS and earn some easy money while doing so and are not geographically mobile, then come. The company culture s—s. Management is racist. You will notice that but will not be able to do anything about it. Managers are the sh–tiest lot. A bunch of yes “white” men who know how to talk a lot of nonsense.
I started during the bankruptcy at Warren, moved to Dearborn when Mullaly was calling the shots, finally settled with the cow boys of Auburn Hills ... and I’m happy with the path I took (by chance though :) ... I find the most satisfaction in my current work , these guys aren’t the best, but I’d say have the most discipline among the 3
You can't explain a greater failure for a company, than leaders that tucks tail and run. Especially after firing thousands or tens of thousands of employees.
Speaks volumes about that company. No firing comes without consent and planning all the way up.
We don’t hate GM. We have just been jaded by the incredible amount of waste, the inability of management to make decisions, and penny pinching the wrong things (which results in mediocre products).
The majority of management is white and the majority of minorities are visa holders where GM has full control over their careers. You people are so dumb here no wonder you all got dumped by the company. If you hate GM find somewhere else to work fool.
Oh my the above posters hit the nail on the head. Absolutely true.
GM is marginally better management and culture than Ford. Try Fiat Chrysler or Volkswagen or Daimler Benz.
If your age is above 45, then don't move. GM will use three criteria to determine your position.
- Age
- Years of service
- Salary
Just think about yourself, are you vulnerable in these three criteria in the next layoff ?
Go for it if you enjoy the following:
Endless meetings that accomplish nothing
Incompetent and clueless management
Management that is sloth like in making decisions. Then the wrong decision is made.
Management that cowers to the UAW
Management that uses vendors as scapegoats, but ignores the wasteful and inefficient unions
Management that pretends to be open to differing views, but blackballs those that disagree
Constant roadblocks in getting your job
Useless HR that is scared to death of the race card. Incompetent minorities cannot be disciplined, they get promoted or transferred. Then management pats themselves on the back for being diverse.
Being embarrassed when your friends, neighbors, and relatives tell you their GM vehicle is a POS
Daily aggravation from all of the above. Probably no different than your current job, so why bother.
Well, if you want to come over to GM just for a pay bump and change - sure go for it. But if you think you will be getting a better career here, you might as well stay where you are. The only thing better here is the US taxpayer bailed us all out at GM, so we can spend like drunken sailors on a port visit again like we did prior to our bailout. Your company is still dealing with decades of old legacy debt that makes it near impossible to move forward at all. Other than that, nothing is better here - why do you think we call ourselves the New-New GM. They had to pretend to everyone to be something different - and New GM implies something better or improved over the old GM. But nothing ever changed here that really matters. (for example, yes the debt was erased, but the culture stayed the same, the problems that created the debt still exist, etc. - we even now own the huge building in downtown Detroit that your company couldn't even afford prior to 2008. We didn't acquire the building because we did something great for our customers or created a new product that generated huge amounts of revenue. Nothing at all. We (and the great Democrat politicians) just played another game that means nothing to the bottom line for GM - sort of like what your company is doing with the train station downtown now) I know, some GM diehards are going to remind me again that the executives here stopped wearing ties to work after we became the New GM (wow - that alone should of helped grow the business - yet, it hasn't for some crazy reason). In another 10 years or so, we will be right back where we were in 2008 financially and the real misery starts over for us again. So, if your not looking for a rewarding career, and your time horizon is less than 10 years, it might be worth the pay bump to switch. Otherwise, you actually told yourself the truth already - that you are a mid career white male in engineering. That is really all you need to tell yourself in this upside down world where experience, knowledge, or enthusiasm to get things done (and done correctly) don't matter anymore. Now if you were right out of college, you might think it is good here for about 5 years or less. Or if you were the correct minority, it might be a good change for you. After all, our CEO had positions as VP of Product Development and VP of Purchasing during the many years that the ignition switch quality fiasco was occurring and they just kept promoting her just because she is a woman – all the way up to CEO. Not going to happen for your attributes (I mean job qualifications these days). Of course GM did fire a few low-level engineers on the ignition program (they were white males, too!!!), but nobody else, even the people in charge like Mary B (but don't worry, she probably didn't even know what an ignition switch was while she was in charge of those parts of the company, so how could she possibly be held accountable at her level). So, sure make the switch over to GM, but only if you just want to earn a paycheck for the next 10 years until we run out of money again. I have worked in GM safety engineering department (think crash testing) for over 25 years. Over the years, I have watched many good, talented people never get promoted until they leave or decide like me, it is just a paycheck now. A few years ago, a young lady with a degree in chemical engineering, no automotive background, five years out of college got hired in our department. Next thing we all know, she was our manager. She barely knows what a car is, yet alone anything about vehicle testing. So, if that is what you are looking for in a career change, come on over! Otherwise, if your life permits it (family, etc.) go to a new EV startup (just pick one). It might not work out, but you have a much better probability of it being rewarding career wise at least. And if it does work out, you won't be stuck in some backwards thinking, buzzword practicing, wonderfully "diverse" company going nowhere a second time in your life.