After 7th Oct layoff, is Dec 4th layoff is rumor or confirmed ? any thoughts
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If those notified on the 7th take a package can they collect unemployment?
I thought that people that took the early retirement package or the optional choice program would be disqualified for unemployment because they voluntarily quit. But this thread says differently, although it does vary from state to state.
https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@OP+171rN369
It boils down to whether or not your individual state considers that you had good cause to quit, i.e. if I didn't take the voluntary package and couldn't find an alternative job within or outside the company by a certain date, I was going to get a smaller, involuntary package.
I'd heard that NC didn't consider you eligible for unemployment if you received a severance until the time period that the severance package was supposed to cover elapsed, but when I was involuntarily LR'd, I registered for unemployment the day after my Cisco employment ended and two weeks later, I was drawing unemployment checks for something like 4-6 weeks until I started my next job.
File it and let the state decide if you're eligible or not. That's their job. Just don't lie about receiving severance so they can't say you falsified government documents and charge you with fraud.
If those notified on the 7th take a package can they collect unemployment?
"But the impression that I get is that some of those pre-notified on Oct 7 will survive the Dec 2 LR notification because "at-risk" doesn't mean certainty. Risk is a potential. They're doing the notifications in two rounds, so it's easier to think of it as 2 LR's, but you're right, there's only one LR in Dec with people choosing to voluntarily leave in Nov due to being told they are "at-risk". "
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Everyone notified on the 7th Oct is gonna be laid off.
You have three options, either you take the package and leave immediately, or take LOA for one year but there is no guarantee you will get a place to come back to after a year, or stick around for a few weeks to see if you find an internal job. If yo do not find a job, you will get a package and leave.
... There are no multi layoff dates.
Oct 7th is pre-notification that you are at risk.
Dec 2nd is the actual layoff notification for people who were pre-notified on Oct 7th
Jan 4th is the last day for people who were notified on Dec 2nd.
True, but it's easy to be confused. Your statement "Dec 2nd is the actual layoff notification for people who were pre-notified on Oct 7th" implies that everyone on Oct 7 is being LR'd in Dec.
But the impression that I get is that some of those pre-notified on Oct 7 will survive the Dec 2 LR notification because "at-risk" doesn't mean certainty. Risk is a potential. They're doing the notifications in two rounds, so it's easier to think of it as 2 LR's, but you're right, there's only one LR in Dec with people choosing to voluntarily leave in Nov due to being told they are "at-risk".
Personally, if I'm notified I'm at risk, I'm taking the package and leaving early.
There is a lot of mis-information here. I guess consider the source. There are no multi layoff dates.
Oct 7th is pre-notification that you are at risk.
Dec 2nd is the actual layoff notification for people who were pre-notified on Oct 7th
Jan 4th is the last day for people who were notified on Dec 2nd.
Of course, this assumes you didn't take any of the options when you were pre-notified on Oct 7th.
This is strange. Is this like airline overbooking? They are going to notify a slab of people that their job is “at risk” but if too many take the very large hint, then others might get a second chance, and have their execution stayed? Are these people complete sadists?
Bottom line: yes.
But the politically correct interpretation of the situation is that they are being transparent and offering you a more generous package if you voluntarily leave during these troubling times so we can save face and not kick your sorry a$$ out the door involuntarily.
In the interests of transparency, I would like to know how many people were notified on Oct 7th, how many of them decided to stay in place, and of those, how many were not notified on Dec 2nd that they were/are being involuntarily LR'd. As far as we know, the Oct 7th and Dec 2nd lists could be the same list and those that took the leave of absence just pushed their demise further down the road for yet a smaller package than the Dec package.
good thought on covid 19 stage II, well, let us lay around and squeeze more cash out of Cisco.. ha ha .. we never thought about it.. come on, Cisco, be fair and please continue to send paycheck for the next 6 months or longer just like you did back in feb.. ..to all our buddies.
wow hoo.. I will take a vacation in Hawaii ...
So if you are not notified on Oct 7 there is no way you will be notified on Dec 2?
That's what is implied, but I wouldn't bet it couldn't happen. "No way" is a strong phrase. I'd say that "you're reasonably safe until the next LR".
phase 2 covid19 is beginning soon, so cisco will suspend all LRs like they did in Feb. my buddy got paid for 4 months without doing any work in addition to his severance package.
Can only say I am SO GLAD to be taking the CEP and leaving on Oct 5th.
What a mess this has become....
Good Luck!
Typically only c—roaches survive a nuclear blast... same goes for layoffs at Cisco. Time to start playing politics again to sabotage the projects of my co-workers. Without performance reviews, you need to get really dirty to survive at Cisco.
ELT disaster planning on this and give too much thought, and thus cause reverse anxiety for all joes/janes, cisco need to learn from IBM, cut loose and don't look back, this dance of may be and why don;t you try, and hope .. then well, sorry, too late.. through holiday season.. is just too crazy.. Indecision and Indecision, death by thousands cuts, whoever left at this company are bunch of scared chickens and rabbits waiting to be slautered again next April. May I suggest just cut 10K people and be done with it?! and people can start at least work..
remember only 2000 out of 7000 took voluntary retirement, and many from 2000 also will revoke. so many of 7000 will be LRed also
if i get a job inbetween oct 7 and nov 22, can I leave whenever i want? obviously wouldnt tell them about it and try and have them screw me outta severance. any guesses how much the voluntary LR package is??
Stay put and look, i.e. hope that you can find another internal role you quality for and that you'll be allowed to transfer into, or that your position didn't get cut because too many other "at-risk" people on your team took the optional choice program.
This is strange. Is this like airline overbooking? They are going to notify a slab of people that their job is “at risk” but if too many take the very large hint, then others might get a second chance, and have their execution stayed? Are these people complete sadists?
how many people will notified that their job is at-risk?
So if you are not notified on Oct 7 there is no way you will be notified on Dec 2?
The Workforce Transition Option dates are:
Oct 7 '20: Phase 1 pre-notification that your job is "at-risk".
- - Option 1: Optional Choice program, i.e. volunteer to be terminated and take a package
- - Option 2: Step out leave, i.e. take a leave of absence. You cannot take another paid job during the LOA.
- - Option 3: Stay put and look, i.e. hope that you can find another internal role you quality for and that you'll be allowed to transfer into, or that your position didn't get cut because too many other "at-risk" people on your team took the optional choice program.
Oct 22 '20: Phase 1 deadline for which option you choose.
Nov 23 '20: Phase 1 last day of employment for those that choose to voluntarily leave or the start of the "step out" leave of absence.
Dec 2 '20: Phase 2 notification
Jan 4 '21: Last of of employment for those notified on Dec 2 regarding their involuntary termination.
It is confirmed. The question is, will it be 10's, 100's or 1000's of employees? If everyone who is notified on Oct 7 takes the Optional Choice program and voluntarily leaves, then there might be no need for the Dec 2 mandatory LR, but let's face it, some people will take their chances.
Just be aware that the package offered with the Dec mandatory LR will be smaller than the Optional Choice package offered on Oct 7th. How much smaller the optional choice package will be compared to the previous LR's or to the CEP is unknown to the general Cisco population right now, but we'll hear about it here on in a little over a week. You can guess from it what the mandatory package will be.
Let’s be clear, if your job is “ at risk” then unless you somehow find an alternate then you’re on slipway to social security come termination day.
Phase Two LR notices will go out Dec. 4 with a Jan. 4 exit date.
LRs at Cisco are as predictable as day and night. There is another LR looming in Feb 2021.
This is what I thought was said : 10/7 you are notified if your role is “at risk”.... if you decide to ride it out you may / may not be impacted in Dec.
If you go back and look at the first slides ELT showed on the Check-In that they announced this phased plan it clearly states December 2nd as round 2, with the last day at Cisco January 4, 2021 (basically the first full day back after mandatory end of year time off). The kicker is they showed this but ONLY verbally spoke/focused on the October 7th date.