Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Cisco missed the boat(s) again.....

Over the years, Cisco had missed major technology transitions. These missed opportunities is costing the company pain that we are seeing today. The yearly layoffs are a sign of the company struggling to drive new growth.

With the massive amount of cash that we had (was it 60B before repatriation?), we should have built up our own international backbone like what Google/AWS is doing now. We should have built a freaking gigantic cloud router to carry our customers’ traffic and be a “cloud network provider”. Since we are the networking company (or do we still ?), we should have the best featured transit vpc, transit gateway, cloud router or whatever we want to call it. Instead we are seeing the cloud player doing innovations in these area. As the cloud players moves into the on-prem facilities (eg Outpost) there is nothing to stop them from extending into the office network to provide for connectivity. It is just so easy for the cloud players to do that.

Moving forward, companies can potentially rely only on 5G and cloud to build out their infrastructure. Cisco will have a hard time selling those router/switches......unfortunately i am not seeing the company making bold moves. We have some how lost that engineering edge...

So layoffs will continue......

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MPLS k–led this company after they built Cat6K, they kept rehashing the same product line.

When virtualization was coming up they built servers.

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Post ID: @4yyg+1783TmiY

I still have an AGS+

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Post ID: @3cxi+1783TmiY

Anyone that suggested these products wouldn't sell were sidelined... followed by fired.

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Post ID: @3qib+1783TmiY

Come on, they developed the following products:

  • flip camera (during an era when smartphones started having a hi res camera in them)
  • cisco umi (a ridiculous telepresence system to connect to your tv using an insane amount of bandwidth and requiring a subscription for video calls all your friends who had the same at home. With a monthly subscription)
  • a home phone with a tablet in it (cisco cius) during a time when everybody felt the need of a desk phone at home)
  • other ridiculously expensive routers side by side in the same shelves with Asus routers that were costing half of the price
  • webex, an amazing online meeting tool developed already in early 2007 so advanced and updated that everybody uses now in this pandemia, much better than zoom, teams, G meet.
  • sparks, a professional messenger done probably with the same basis of Facebook messenger.

The most innovative company ever.
Welcome to human network
Never better.
To all marketing people at cisco: you are all geniuses.

Yours sincerely
A happily former cisco employee.

PS: if you don’t know what I have talked about, just google any of those products I wrote above.

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Post ID: @3dcl+1783TmiY

Just wait till amazon makes switches and router's!!!!!

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Post ID: @2fps+1783TmiY

To understand the reason temps are cheaper you must look at the big picture.

While salary costs may be the same, the long term costs for blue badges is significantly higher due to the costs associated with layoffs and early retirements. Temps are just let go without severance - blue badges are paid significant amounts of money.

I would also guess that since Cisco hires temps from companies outside the US they can probably use money outside the US and avoid taxes.

John Chambers made it very clear many years ago that the company would be ‘investing’ in India, growing the company there rather than in the US. He stated it cost twice as much yo hire in the US than in India.

He also stated a number of tomes, including in a CNBC interview that the company was laying off existing employees without the skills needed to hire new college graduates with the needed skills.

Cisco had been doing ‘re-skilling’ layoffs every year since the first layoff in 2001.

Cisco does not invest in training existing employees for mew skills, they just dump the old high paid people and hire cheaper new college grads.

Pretty sad for a company that always talks about the people deal and family - total BS.

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Post ID: @2jmb+1783TmiY

Cisco doesn't innovate because it's been led by sales people for almost three decades. Sales people, by nature, think about the current quarter. True innovation takes many quarters if not multiple years.

Between 2010, when Cisco's sales were $40B, and 2020, when Cisco's sales were $49.3B, sales have only grown at a 2.11% CAGR. Because of that and the need to continue to deliver a dividend to shareholders, there's been no investment in "moonshot" efforts in the company to try and become relevant again.

Over the last few years, the CFO has done a fantastic job of recasting SmartNet revenue as software revenue to make Wall Street believe Cisco was becoming a software company. My guess is that she's leaving because there no more SmartNet revenue to recast.

If you want to spend time in a company that's treading water, Cisco could be the place for you. If you want to spend time in a company that's investing for the future, there are much better options.

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Post ID: @2dlu+1783TmiY
rehiring through temp agencies eliminates expensive health care, retirement benefits, severance packages, and vacation days.

I'm an engineer with a minor in mathematics, not a business administration grad with a financial degree, but I don't understand how using temp agencies reduces costs and eliminates benefits, etc. All it does is shift money from one accounting budget to another, but the costs are higher in the new bucket.

Temp agencies are in business to MAKE money. They have to offer health care to their employees, but to their size, they are way more expensive than what Cisco provides and provide worse coverage. They provide 401(k) plans and some even provide some sort of matching, again, not as good as Cisco, but some. They can even provide PTO, but they'll lower their employees wages more per hour than what it costs them to provide 80 hrs pay in order to cover their overhead of managing/tracking PTO time. The only thing they don't tack on and pass onto their clients is the cost of severance packages because they don't provide them. When your gig ends with the client, they immediately terminate you and you're gone. If the client gives them enough advance notice, they'll try to find you a follow-on gig with another client, but there's no guarantee that will work out.

But, in order to make a profit, they have to find someone willing to work for X dollars, pay Social Security and employment taxes on that person, offer them health care, 401(k), PTO, etc. and then manage the client hours billing and pay the employees for those hours worked. They have a lot of management overhead costs that they have to absorb.

I've been a contractor/consultant off and on for a long time and I've been paid at best 50% of the client bill rate and at worst 30% of the bill rate. Yet, at the end of the day, my take home pay after deducting taxes (same regardless of client employee or consultant agency employee), deducting benefits (much lower as a client employee vs. much higher as a consultant agency employee), same 5% 401(k) deduction, etc. has remained pretty much the same. I make more as a contractor per hour than I do as an employee to offset my higher benefits cost and provide me with a little extra dollars that I bank each payday to cover the unpaid days for corporate holidays and give me 2 weeks off each year. If I'm getting paid 30% of the bill rate, and I'm paid more per hour than Cisco pays me, Cisco is paying more than twice as much for my services as a contractor than they would as an employee because my agency is padding their bill to Cisco to cover all those costs, cover their overhead of all the additional billing paperwork/time tracking they do, and make a profit. The recruiter makes a commission off keeping me in place, the account manager makes a commission off keeping me in place, the company makes money providing the service. Cisco pays for all of that. How is it cheaper?!? It's just funny financial math to say it's not a liability when it's still a cost that Cisco carries.

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Post ID: @1nal+1783TmiY

| Cisco is the #1 IT company in the world.

Wonder how much this one cost?

Incremental improvements to existing hardware isn't really innovative.

Sounds like you don't remember the disaster that was Inter Cloud. Seems like some marketing guy said this cloud thing will never work.

Just like the guy who ran the horse stables in Detroit :)

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Post ID: @jrx+1783TmiY

the office is where you are
no need for legacy brick and mortar
no legacy solutions
aws and azure are winning
even gcp can’t catch up now

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Post ID: @xdx+1783TmiY

Again the narrative of copy pasting google/amazon strategy, copying is engineering edge now?

Not everything in the world of networking is overlaying ipsec tunnels over public internet, coining a buz word and call it bleeding edge software centric, also not all the customers want move to such structures, not only are they expensive as they don't bring the features currently available on-prem.

Event if Amazon becomes an ISP , Google already is but only on the US market. they will be nothing but options, competing in a market with Tyre 1 ISPs with 30+ years of investment on infrastructure and governmental backing.

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Post ID: @prb+1783TmiY

I’m mostly in agreement but the office/LAN will remain mostly as is for many years to come. But Aruba is chipping away at that.

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Post ID: @nkr+1783TmiY
  • the technology edge was lost 15 years ago
  • Cisco is merely laying off full-time employees, and rehiring through temp agencies

without revenue growth, the best method to boost earnings is by cutting costs. rehiring through temp agencies eliminates expensive health care, retirement benefits, severance packages, and vacation days.

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Post ID: @hfv+1783TmiY

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