Execs like GC mentioned that Singapore remain strategic, while we still see double digit people leaving. Something the execs won't say, is they had seriously overspent and overhired in the past few years, leveraging on the reason that SG strategic. US caught their tricks, the overstaffing has now overshadowed the strategic advantage. It is obvious.
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You have to ask TMTS Lead how many heads to chop till 2022.
Anyone knows the planned reductions GC had on her plan. We are having double digits attrition at the plant and yet we are still not having enough departures? Are we looking for half of the workforce gone? And this stupid Thai HR still want to cut AWS to accelerate departures? This only means GC is lying when she says Singapore remains strategic to the corporation. Seems to me it’s only strategic to post structural cost savings?
There’s way better offers out there, thus we are seeing high finance turnover. Furthermore, way too often, the finance leadership team is too keen to toe the company line that everything will be better without providing any kind of vision or any clear outlook to the future, leading to pi---d off workers on the ground. I’m surprised it’s only in finance and that attrition is not more wide spread.
Why is finance having high turnover?
@4ykam+16zEvLP3 The entire team can leave us and life in EM goes on. Although you hope that your contributions matters, I need to call you out on that point because in reality it does not. Like a swiss army kn--e, any employee can assume the role and perform well in the job, yes even engineers.
Huge mess. Support functions org.structure seems seriously top-mid heavy like finance, sustainable? GC must be secretly planting seeds in Bkk and India, balancing the weight.
SG mgt is happy to see support functions like finance losing people...part of the plan to reduce headcount without paying. GC will just recommend hiring in india or BKK to Dallas.
As for engineers...you thought the role must be onsite? Think twice...engineers are replaced by KLTC.
It is game over for SG workforce. Oh...reward for those who stay...2022 pay freeze! hahaha
Finance losing people like flies. Soon we have engineers doing accounting. That will be fun, especially after we had an engineer run a titan to ground.
To all good hardworking honest loyal newbies or old timers ex em employees who have already left be it by PIP by retrenchment by resigning
My greatest respect and salute to you all
You all made the best right decision to leave exxonmobil
No regret and in fact a great decisive move indeed
Best wishes to all you good people of ex em
You all definitely knew the real exxonmobil from the inside just like bloody WebCat
Have a greater time and greater career elsewhere where you're more appreciated and respected my friends
# WE were once exxonmobil
We are ExxonMobil!!! Oh sorry, it’s we were ExxonMobil. It’s only the senior managers of EMAPPL shouting We Are ExxonMobil. After all, they are getting nice RSUs rewards for betraying their own countrymen? No? Uniquely Singapore!
The level of folks still advocating that EM has a bright future and will ride this out stronger fall into these categories - largely because they cant leave.
1) Age 40s and above- lack of specific skills for market
2) CL 26 and above - drawing mid 5 figures salary and above. - too expensive for generalist skillset
If you do not fall into these 2 categories....strongly suggest you leave...SG mgt is not going to do anything to help us long term.
Ask what tangible effort was done for local workforce...without looking too far...even SG Chevron continued increment and bonus.
Read the article below . It’s obvious that the base is shifting to THailand that’s why it’s asking HR from TH to helm the benchmarking … . We all know how the game is played all these years . What do u think the TH HR team will do? Self justify a case to show that TH is a good place to shift the jobs over .. based on $ and cents . But , it has conveniently hide the fact of political instability . The junta is still governing ….. so much for an American company that talks about human rights , democracy etc . Can you see all the Bulls***? Help yourself , read the article above and make ur plan . Look long term ….: those in the late 40s and 50s have no choice and don’t mind going down with the ship….. some might have safety boats ready ( like GC and all her execs) . What abt us the younger ones ????? Too young and too soon to perish …
https://mothership.sg/2021/05/career-advice-abel-ang/?fbclid=IwAR0WbT-UN2RnTAGQ1-H_q67a4OGu7PEWfp7RZcan1yMQWkdgrzjduRd0lXQ
Departments with the most resignation are poorly managed, due to incapable management and lack of transparency. Staffs have seen through them.
@4yjns+16zEvLP3 Lol!
We definitely have a lot of Oscar wining award actors in this company. Act to be loyal/willing to sacrifice for the company. A classic example would be a technical DH weep in a tech comm session telling how he loved the company..ha if you know about his early day attitude/doing..you'll probably vomit. So don't listen to management BS. Open you eyes to see the real situation and make your move.
@4xuyc+16zEvLP3 Any black and white confirmation or again some managers just trying to keep the workforce longer for 2021. Till today I am really surprised there are people who believe the words spewing from mgt mouth.
Even if AWS is kept for 2021, what about 2022, 2023...what about SG long term future with jobs migrating to India, KL, BKK. For the younger folks, please think long term...is this a company with a bright future...it wont close down overnight but will it give you a good career...
If you see very senior management from different functions heading to BKK, India or KL for expat or short assignment. High chance they are planning an avalanche to sweep jobs out of SG, permanently reducing costs.
Some managers already shared there is no AWS cut this year so please stop spreading fake news
Hearsay this year is one of the toughest year in ranking. PIL/PIP letter is prepared to issue somewhere in Aug/Sep and 8% is confirmed. Pray hard!
The new ranking created a lot fear for different stage of individuals. A lot of fear. So can fear create motivation or frustration? Yes in life threatening moments, sure no one like to die so by all means get to safe place, that instant survival mode motivates anything.. But organizations have so much fear won't prosper in the long run as who dare to say the truth, who dare to challenge authority. And fear is contentious it spread...like in the dark, a dog bark make you feel nervus. To overcome this all have to pretend to add value show some work say something but all can be quite superficial and general. It can be quite political, backstabbing, enemy or friend, teamwork or individual work,
anyway such forced ranking has been proven more cons than pros in the long run. The ideal one is no ranking everyone dying hard for company success, everyone so highly motivated to achieve more, but first you need to hire best of best ppl. But best ppl won't like such system as no meaning to them. They are highly motivated and eager to learn lead and leap. If this company cannot offer then those will jump, so in the long run no good ppl left, only average.. Put it another way no one like to be judged officially...no one. Such a dinosaur HR concept still prevail in here, many top companies scrapped forced ranking system, Microsoft since 2011 already scrapped forced ranking, today one of most valuable company. Adobe, Google, Deliotte, GE...look at GE once a giant super company famous of forced ranking under Jack Welch, today cannot compete with many peers, share just down and down...the world has changed, ppl not in the 80' 90'anymore, ppl are more mobile than ever, ppl want more personal touch media touch social touch than ever. Sad to say after all global 'study' still a very old system used by GE in the 80' 90'. Well let's see in 5yrs to 10yrs time.
It’s over for O&G. It won’t end overnight, but the best years for the industry are in the rear view mirror. It’s time to get the fu-k out...
SG folks..from now on..there will only be wave after wave of bad news for SG...
1) Jobs are moving to India, KL and BKK, means way less career progression.
2) Wage stagnant becos SG management wont bother to fight
3) More job cuts from disguised studies such as TMTS.
If you chat around...you should notice that those who encourage you to stay on are folks who are older and higher CL....that is because they need young and lower CL folks to stay and do the real work...
Have you ever heard of a mistake?
What I don’t get it... we keep talking about Thai HR. Then what the he-l is Singapore HR doing? We have a Singaporean LCM and Singaporean HR manager, and yet we seem to be worse off than when we had ang mohs masters lording over us. What’s wrong with these Singaporean leaders who’s supposed to advocate for us? What are they doing, other than pleasing our colonial masters?
Hello @4xgwt+16zEvLP3.
Singapore employee worthless? Then why EM set up plant in Singapore?
Is it someone had stepped on you foreign talent tail and feel discomfort? Not happy can go back your own country to suffer.
@4xgwt+16zEvLP3 Don’t worry. The Singaporeans are getting fu---d real good by their own LCM and Thai HR. What’s worse than being let go? Doing more work and getting paid less - and still get caught in a more vicious and subjective ranking cycle.
4xgwt+16zEvLP3
You from Mars or Pluto
Majulah Singapura
Worse thing is whenever the Thais come here and stay, it’s always on company expenses as an expat or on biz trip. Not spending their own $$$, of course won’t feel the pinch of Singapore living. Try staying here and raising kids on Singapore salary, and you will see how xiong it is.
Not sure how much we can complain Thai HR screwing us over, when our LCM allow this. GC too busy wagging tail rather than pushing back?
An SGD10K salary is equivalent to THB250K there.
A <10-year engineer at Sriracha, or analyst in BKK office will be far from drawing such a “high” salary there!!
The cost of living in Thailand is too wide a gap, compared to SG, to warrant / justify such an equivalence.
For the Thai HR manager, he/she has got an unconscious and distance bias (that SG employees are over-remunerated) and will need to re-calibrate.
For those of us who had worked under Thai managers here previously, will remember having received not-so-good increments.
Doesn’t matter what kind of compensation there is.
3 months AWS is going away.
A shame that Singapore employees are now getting screwed over by some Thai HR. Wonder what has happened here? I don’t see this Thai HR benchmarking the Americas pay. WTF.
Need to regain our pride somehow. We are being colonialized once again.
@4vxmt+16zEvLP3
Haha. Have u heard of wolf in sheep clothing ? I guess in this case is dog in man clothing …. . Dog walking on twos … with the money being paid to her … how many humans will not bent down and just wag and bark like a dog. What is the prob selling out her country men? Engine 1 shd do us all a favour to vote out DW. He is the most useless leader EM ever has … the only achievement he could claim is bringing down a titan like Xom .
The longer you stay , the more disservice u are going to do to yourself . Just bec you have been top 2 quantiles for past 10 yrs u think your trajectory will maintain ? U know how many high flyers like u ( when they were young or better than u ) got retrenched ? Wake up! As you age , you trajectory will also flatten unless u are really executive material . Even u are , u need to be tested too , no guarantee u will survive . Stay and pick up all the generalist skill , see how are u going to find job outside of equivalent pay , not even if u are willing to accept 20% pay cut . Bite the bullet to change runway while u still young . The writing is on the wall! Dead wood has no money to look at renewable. Where on earth do u think he has the money to pay dividend ( some more promise shareholders: himself to increase div) , service $70 bn debt and cash to burn venturing into renewables ? How much assets must the company write off ? Now u understand why he worked so hard spending millions of dollars trying to block Engine 1 from electing new directors on board ? He rather burnt millions to do this nonsense than to give a matching retrenchment Comp to the employees .
So if he is compelled to spend money renewables , where do u think he will get the money from ? Cut div ? Or cut salary? Think!! I tot EM employed smart pple ???
SG workforce very motivated
Hahahahhh you very damned sure or not GC and the gangs in the comfort of your offices
With all the dirty tricks and sh--s to penalize good hard working employees
Not anymore many more employees resigned you can count very lucky already
I also very worried my own unit few alteady left now everyday everynite running on minimum manning
Many more quietly have gone for interviews already so only time will tell
Worst thing can happen not enough people to run the plant i tnink i also better cabut liao lah who can tahan working like this
# em SG lost all motivation
Just hope this company can survive for another 15yrs..make some money when market good loose some when bad.. so I can retire. Cannot jump boat for me too late.. so just do whatever boss ask to do. Make sure not in NSI layer.. tide through. Future earnings will be tough in next decade more stringent emission target more pressure from external competitors.. low cost refiners chemicals...The trend is here.
Good times gone those in higher managers maybe think the same all human and salary worker. Those in VP SVP.. also have 5 to 10yrs to go.. not big deal. Leave with a legacy or fat pay check ? Short term or long term, self or next gen ? You bet...
If all DW needs in Singapore is someone to wag the tail and say yes to everything, then why put GC in place? Why not just put a dog? Suppose the dog will cost less and be more loyal too.
Sounds like GC's kpi will be met, if our employee's interests are not met.
4veoy+16zEvLP3 - GC will feedback to Dallas that SG workforce is motivated, YTD earnings are positive meaning SG is winning, no worries on attrition as remaining workforce just need to work harder for this great company. Proceed to freeze 2022 salary and reduce AWS so shareholders and ourselves can ve further enriched :)
I hope those remaining will rejoice!
hello SG folks,
Can you share your secret to staying so motivated even when your salary freezes for 2 years..maybe more.
Apply harder to the various tech companies folks! Quickly before GC shows solidarity with DW and eliminate the AWS. Then, your negotiations will be weakened.
The AWS is definitely going away especially when it’s a Thai who’s conducting the review and she definitely doesn’t like Singaporeans getting the AWS.
All the best to you all looking for jobs!