Help me understand. Do you like to suffer?
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And that's what management at UP is like.
It would be nice if managers decided who worked for them.
I agree to a point on the post below. Not all managers are the same, and some do care about the employees they manage. You also have the managers that have no clue about what they're doing, and point the finger at someone else when something goes wrong. They're the manager right? Then you have upper management yelling at lower management to find fault in everyone's work. A perfect example of that was the FTX program. The point is that no one is explicitly labeling all UP managers are bad. The problem is when managers are given instructions to find anything they can find for a coaching event or critical rule violation, then it makes managers really hard if not impossible to trust.
I guess the bigger picture is that the UP has become a place NO ONE wants to be at anymore. I remember how it was at the CP, and that's not something I never want to relive again. The UP executives have no clue what they're doing to the railroad. They claim they're making it more efficient, but in reality they're making it more of a liability to the communities they serve.
Most people that talk about management can’t do the job. They think they have walked in everyone’s shoes. LOL
Some managers will get railroad retirement and a manager's pension.
The reason is definitely not to avoid physical labor. My experience might be unique, but I worked much harder as a management employee than when I was agreement. Part of this was the hours i worked and the other was I had to respond to every incident on my territory. This meant I was in the ground walking trains with conductors, working with locomotive engineers on problems, walking track with MOW, etc. I went into management so I could experience different jobs and live in several different geographical areas. I worked in ops and then in training. I loved being an instructor and felt I could positively affect the careers of new employees and help older employees during rules training. I didn’t go into management trying to climb the corporate ladder, and in fact turned down promotions where I would have to move my family to areas we did not want to live. I did hope to be a positive influence on the territory’s I worked. I had some great employees assigned to me, and only a handful in 20 years that I had difficulty with. I was not a perfect manager, but I always tried to be fair and understanding of the difficulties of the job. Since I came from the ground, I feel this gave me a huge advantage over the OMT’s in that I knew the jobs from actual experience. This allowed me to tell directors, corridor managers, and others the truth when crews were questioned about their work, the time it took to perform work, etc. I understand many on this forum hate managers and many have reason due to their experience with non-agreement. I just ask to not paint everyone with the same brush. I am sure there are agreement employees you do like or want to work with also. I cared about the people I supervised and stay in contact with many I have known through the years. The truth is you will have supervision regardless of any job or profession you choose. All managers/supervisors are not bad, the same goes for any group. I know this is a long response, but some of the comments about managers are so terrible that I thought maybe I could at least give my take on why some take this route. I wish everyone the best and hope for better days ahead.
You apparently, don't make the rules!
Nope. Once you go management and turn your back on the Union your choice has been made. We don’t need anymore VPs with fake degrees coming back to the ground
A lot of managers still pay union dues; they should be allowed to come back to their union seniority.
Did somebody just call going into management at UP a promotion? Tee hee you funny little boy
Agreement employee that cross over into nonagreement management positions should not be allowed to come back to their union seniority.
Pretty straightforward really....just like most large US corporations, it is the only way to get promoted.
No they physically don’t want to do work so if they go into management they can be lazy and do nothing, sit in the work vehicles and sleep and in the offices and sleep...laziness is what makes them go into management