Thread regarding ViacomCBS layoffs

A Different Perspective

Long-time (Viacom legacy) employee here. Yesterday was very stressful for all of us. Personally, I lost 5 colleagues in my department and at least that many in other departments I work with on a daily basis. It s—s. It’s also obvious that contrary to what is said almost all lay-offs are based on personal prejudices, favoritism, etc. (Much like promotions). It’s also interesting how each time this occurs anyone with the letters VP (or preceded by an E- or S-) usually stay safe. Our old/new company has so many execs its mind-boggling.

I agree that the E&Y brands success is an illusion and the two new channels added under CM will probably be gutted / destroyed like Logo-TV.

I’ve been to HR more than my share of times during my time here with issues regarding promotions, biases, treatment of employees.

I say these to acknowledge Viacom had its issues before (and after) the merger. It is not perfect and there have been missteps regarding employee treatment.

However, I feel that the nefarious motives some want to assign to top management is misguided.

Layoffs during the pandemic? Any number of negative adjectives apply here. However, we must keep in mind there are millions of others who have been laid off as well. (They just announced another 3.8 million are unemployed.) And most of them got zero in the way of severance packages and health insurance coverage. (Not to mention may of our production partners have let staff and PBE’s go without any help.) I am heartbroken, angry and depressed to see my friends and co-workers go. But those I spoke to were all thankful that they at least have severance to help them out post-Viacom during this crazy time.

We also had the option to work remotely before the company wide mandate went through on March 12th. I would argue management has kept our safety and well-being at the forefront especially here in the NY area. Could things have been done different or earlier? Possibly. But we are lucky. Look at all the front line workers who were working without the necessary protective gear. Or all the employees of the meat packing plants who are forced to keep working though the virus has spread through their ranks like wildfire.

For those of us who have been here over 5 years – Bob has been 1000x the leader PD ever was regarding employee treatment.

We still had summer Fridays even though it was constantly argued that was inefficient and a money waster. Not to mention most other companies don’t have such a perk. Yes, I realize who knows if that will be the case this summer.

I’ve had colleagues go through personal trauma from loss of a spouse/parent/child to having to manage life-threatening diseases. Not once were they ever told to deal with their situation and get back to work; manage their grief better or get over it. Unlike other companies I’ve worked at or have those close to me have.

Yesterday was yet another horrid day for us in losing so many friends and colleagues. It was stressful and traumatic.

But to come on here and want a reporter to “expose” the company’s mistreatment of employees? To state the company doesn’t care about its employees at all? These are hyperbolic statements.

Let’s try to keep some perspective during these difficult times.

Finally, to anyone who is feeling the company is misbehaving. What are you personally doing to make the situation better? Are you treating your co-workers with dignity and respect? If you manage someone – are you being fair, a good leader and have the best interest of your direct reports in mind? Do you do as asked by your manager or do you gripe, grumble and constantly push back?

We may not be able to change the larger picture but each one of us can start with our own part of the company. Then maybe things will change above.

To those of you who were let go yesterday Viacom or CBS – may you fulfill your next dream or continue on the ideal path of your life. You were loved and cared about and you will be missed.

To those of us remaining, let us grieve, feel our emotions and most important use all the tools at our disposal to make this company the best it can be so that our friends leaving is not in vain. (Yes, those tools include this website.)

No, I'm not from HR, a toadie for senior management or the like. Just an average employee.

May you and yours be safe during these crazy times.

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Post ID: @OP+14JXBXpK

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Hilarious that people here argue that permalancers would be hired if people actually wanted to hire them. The VPs on my team straight up told me they would love to hire us ft but there's a hold on hiring new full time roles indefinitely. The other permalancer on my team has been here over a year so I'm assuming this has been an ongoing freeze.

Trust me I would happily work elsewhere for the benefits of a ft job but there's nowhere to go now work -wise. Also if I did have PTO, truly no one is going anywhere at this point so lol I'll just sit here and hope I don't lose my job that affords me minimal security.

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Post ID: @4wdd+14JXBXpK

Funny that this person says no other company wants permalancers and that people were hired full time after them because they actually wanted to hire them. That’s hilarious. My department hasn’t hired anyone full time in YEARS. Every single person that has been “hired” is a freelancer.

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Post ID: @1udn+14JXBXpK

Yeah, my ENTIRE TEAM are permalancers. So there goes your theory of 'merit-based staff positions'.

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Post ID: @1rss+14JXBXpK

lol I have bets on who Mr. Permalancer-R-id–ts is...

1) a 20-something that had this job since graduation that works in finance and types about earning his own way while quarantining in his parents' vacation house

2) a 50-something Libertarian that read a Wall St. Journal op-ed once

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Post ID: @son+14JXBXpK

Cool friend, you sure know exactly what’s going on. Everything is merit based at viacom! You’re the king of productivity!

It’s sad that you have to take this position to make yourself feel like you’ve earned what you have, but judging by your comments here I think it’s a pretty safe bet that you’re an awful person. I wish you had a life you were happy with, and didn’t feel the need to make nonsensical judgments that do nothing of value but make you feel superior and self righteous.

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Post ID: @ydw+14JXBXpK

To the id–ts who think permalancers got a raw deal you prove my point. People got hired for full time jobs after them because the company wanted to hire them. They didn’t want to hire you. NBC didn’t want to hire you. Disney didn’t want to hire you. Nobody wanted to hire you. If you were freelance for over a year that’s on you.

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Post ID: @saq+14JXBXpK

Wow, hot take alert! 'PBES gOt NuthInG TO SaY! U cAn LeAve WhenEveR'

I applaud this man's bravery in sticking up for the ViacomCBS corporation against those selfish freelance employees! AFTER EFFECTS DESIGNERS HAVE HAD IT TOO EASY FOR TOO LONG!!!! lights cigar with hundred dollar bill

Lol who do you think is making the work that Viacom churns out? It's video editors, designers, crew, producers, etc. like me that work without health benefits or guarantee of employment or severance.

If/when it's your turn to get let go, I look forward to seeing you back on this message board talking about how easy it is for you to find new work. Hopefully, it won't be in the middle of a global pandemic, imirite?

And, FWIW
"If you don't like being PBE, work somewhere else" = "If you don't like Murica, you can git out!"

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Post ID: @lki+14JXBXpK

"If you're an employee here you literally have nothing to say. If you didn't like being fired you were free to leave at anytime. The fact that only Viacom was willing to pay you speaks volumes."

This makes no f—ing sense, friend.

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Post ID: @ckg+14JXBXpK

Also most permalancers are more than qualified than the positions they’re working and way better than staff. Obviously like previous commenter said, you haven’t had to find a job. The job market s—s. And will s— even more after corona. That’s why temp agencies are becoming so popular. Saying someone doesn’t deserve to be paid and that basically viacom is settling for sh–ty people is a sh– way of thinking. How dare you comment on people’s work ethic just because they are temps. You’re obviously an egotistical self entitled pencil pusher.

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Post ID: @glc+14JXBXpK

The person saying that we should be thankful as permalancers to be paid at all should have trouble sleeping at night.

You are a bad person, whoever you are.

I hope the next time someone treats you poorly, someone looks you directly in the eye and says "you deserve it," since that's what you're doing here.

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Post ID: @zqs+14JXBXpK

What a jackass. Most people stayed on as permalancers because they were told continuously that they’d be hired on. So screw your self entitled a–. The fact that only viacom was willing to pay them? Most of our permalancers are better workers than staff.

If you’re a permalancer you literally have nothing to say here. If you didn’t like that status you were free to leave at anytime. The fact that only Viacom was willing to pay you speaks volumes.

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Post ID: @rtl+14JXBXpK

Permalancers have nothing to say here? What is wrong with you? Some of these people have worked for the company longer than most staff doing the same exact type of work. You sound like someone who hasn’t had to apply for a job in years. News flash it’s not that simple. Again, the only way this wrong can be made right is if people speak out against it. “If you don’t like it leave” That’s your take? Really????

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Post ID: @zew+14JXBXpK

If you’re a permalancer you literally have nothing to say here. If you didn’t like that status you were free to leave at anytime. The fact that only Viacom was willing to pay you speaks volumes.

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Post ID: @tmt+14JXBXpK

Personally, I lost all of my colleagues by being laid off but I’m very sorry to have stressed you out.

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Post ID: @yux+14JXBXpK

Yes, please tell me how y’all are allowed to deal with death etc. I’m a PBE. Have been for years. The day my grandma died, I was able to go home early and then was back to work the next day because I don’t get PTO and can’t afford to miss work.

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Post ID: @elv+14JXBXpK

Seems that you are recommending that you be allowed to toe the company line, while diminishing the feelings of those more directly effected than you in this purge.

To what end is this website a tool for you to improve the company? Don't answer if you're sending these perspectives from your vacation home.

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Post ID: @fyt+14JXBXpK

I agree with a lot of what you said however, like another commenter mentioned, there are plenty people working for Viacom who are on sleazy W2 contracts who aren't entitled to a fraction of the benefits that everyone else who are "employees" of Viacom are. For example, I know for a fact that there are contracted admins who have lost their jobs in this round of layoffs who don't get any severance, weren't afforded PTO or sick time like am employee before, etc. It happened to me several years ago when I was in the same position and I didn't even qualify for unemployment. It effectively obliterated my finances at the time because I was young in NYC and didn't have much savings. But congrats to everyone on their long vacation time and bonuses must be nice!!

In my position now, it was incredibly difficult for me to acquire a company computer to work from home because I'm not properly an employee, among other things like being left off of important covid emails, no sick pay beyond what's government mandated to cover if we do get covid, etc.
We do the same full time work as everyone else and are given much less in return.

I feel bad for anyone who has lost their job, especially during this time. It's rough.

But anyway Viacom is a nice enough place to work if you're lucky enough to be an employee. For the rest of us, it's not quite the same.

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Post ID: @lyn+14JXBXpK

Ok Karen. You did have the opportunity to volunteer to be laid off and passed it up. Could have saved someone who you are heartbroken to lose.

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Post ID: @biz+14JXBXpK

Viacom also denies disability accommodations to permalancers. They also take permalancers' complaints of s-xual harassment less seriously.

This must be reckoned with before you give yourself room to give any credit to management. Too often, when people bring this up, we all simply move on to a less awkward topic.

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Post ID: @lci+14JXBXpK

“I’ve had colleagues go through personal trauma from loss of a spouse/parent/child to having to manage life-threatening diseases. Not once were they ever told to deal with their situation and get back to work; manage their grief better or get over it.” ??????

Speak for yourself ffs. I worked for Viacom for 2+ years as a permalancer. I was not given bereavement when a family member died. I was told to use my 5 sick days for the year.

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Post ID: @jju+14JXBXpK

I agree with the below post 1000000% While I’m sure we can all find a positive in the situation and count our blessings, it doesn’t negate the fact that viacom is abusing the freelance system and could have handled this situation better -especially considering they had months to prepare. We’re allowed to call them out for their missteps. That’s the only way to right a wrong. People on the inside SHOULD be speaking out, and YOU shouldn’t knock them for it. OP you unfortunately sound like someone who hasn’t exactly experienced all of the problems being addressed. You also sound like someone who still has their job during a pandemic. Please don’t belittle the people just trying to make a change. This pandemic gives us little people a wider platform to finally call out big businesses. Saying “we’re lucky” and calling it a day is why corporate systems like this continue to exist. Don’t be a part of the problem.

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Post ID: @hba+14JXBXpK

Personally I'm not angry at upper management or Bob Bakish or whoever – I'm angry that they have all the power to do whatever the hell they want. If they give us any kind of basic dignity, what are we supposed to do? Fall to our knees and bow in gratitude to our kind masters? Please.

They are in control of the means of our livelihoods, but WE provide the labor. Without us, collectively, they are nothing but a bunch of dipsh**s saying the word "synergy" back and forth, without the ability to make anything they can sell.

Are these people greedy ck sers? YES. But I'm not personally angry at anyone. I just want to live in a world where the workers have some say in their fates, that's all. That's why the people staying need to unionize. There are orgs that can help with strategizing for that. For me, it's not about angrily ranting at the void, it's about understanding our condition and fighting to improve it, in solidarity with one another.

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Post ID: @prl+14JXBXpK

We also don't get severance.

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Post ID: @uph+14JXBXpK

This type of argument would carry more water if the company didn't also utilize a vast network of employees granted second class status as "project based", who work the same hours, do the same jobs, and work just as hard as "staff" employees, but are denied benefits based on the favoritism and crony-ism you've described, then laid off because they are, to quote one of my department heads "just freelancers."

I don't know how you can square that deeply entrenched system with the conviction that management has empathy for the employees, since so many are not counted as those employees.

Also, the idea that we should take a look at ourselves and wonder what we can do is, while heartwarming, naive. When they have the power to shut off your livelihood during a health crisis (for which many employees, as stated, do not have any sort of company-provided health insurance and rely on income to maintain the ability to see a doctor), it's a little disarming to be asked how what I am doing to make the situation better. What should I do? Have warmer thoughts towards the management that are afforded compensation outsized to any reasonable standard, along with bonuses, perks, and paid time off, while I and many many others are paid below market rate and denied health insurance, then ultimately laid off so that those bonus checks don't need to be reduced?

Nobody is saying it's some grand conspiracy. But there is a clear lack of empathy and a clear lack of ethical standards applied in the decisions of management at ViacomCBS.

It's not hyperbolic to state that the company doesn't care about its employees. It's easy to ignore when you're one of the employees they do care about.

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Post ID: @aoe+14JXBXpK

They also just fired a ton of people not based on merit but strictly based on salary. The reasons you stated above about how well they treat their employees isn't based on some noble cause, it's based on legality (outside SF which kept employees at the company).

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Post ID: @ghj+14JXBXpK

Well said, unfortunately business is business and everyone keeps trying to make this personal.

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Post ID: @ybr+14JXBXpK

It’s hard to have perspective when the world is so scary right now. Thank you for yours.

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Post ID: @fuf+14JXBXpK

That's a really well-written, thoughtful post that is a great break from all the hate and anger rants we have been reading. While Viacom stumbles in much of its day to day, I agree that this company does come through in the ugly situations of layoffs, medical leave and other family/personal matters. Thanks for sharing the perspective.

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