"The study found that, on average, students pursuing bachelor’s and associate’s degrees at for-profit colleges saw their earnings drop, compared to before they started the program. The overwhelming number of students who don’t complete their degrees account for most of this pattern. Six years after attending these programs, for-profit college attendees were not only earning less, but were often saddled with debt and often without new credentials. Cellini and Turner theorize that dropping out might have been a negative signal to employers about a person's productivity, essentially leading employers to assume that this wasn't a person who “got things done,” which in turn led to lower pay. The outcomes were far more positive for students who completed their degrees, for whom the researchers found a slight increase in earnings—about $3,500 to $4,000 more per year.".................................................http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/for-profit-earnings/485141/
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My favorite are the stoners and partiers that act as if no one knows they are f'ed up. How many psychedelic, over filtered, Photoshop projects do I have to see each class? Wow man... Totally trippy!
Maybe if sh--ty teachers like you wouldve done some actual teaching as opposed to showing bootleg movies or pushing free tutorials on students, those "anime" loving students would have learned something. Considering I went in with more knowledge of the programs than the "professors," I doubt that was even a possibility. Those of us working in the industry are working in it in spite of Ai, not because of it. And I agree with the previous post that stated that recruiters were enrolling anyone with a pulse. Real art schools check portfolios and deny admittance to those who do not have creative talents. Ai promised kids the ability to "learn" how to do art when they couldn't even draw.
Even if the students were not as intelligent, or would not do as well at other colleges, that does not excuse the cut-throat tactics of the recruiters or EDMC. We're talking about admissions staff, recruiters, and financial aid staff who preyed on people's ambitions to do well and get out of poverty. Anyone still defending the school is angry because you are guilty and it weighs on your conscience (hopefully), as it should. Deflecting blame onto the students you willingly persuaded to enroll without any forethought is your fault. You knew you were setting them up for disaster. Get over it and yourselves. You were paid to prey and pander to people down on their luck by promising things the school could not deliver on -- education -- and inflating job placement rates. You disgust society, and that's exactly why EDMC is going to eventually bottom out, you all will be out of jobs, and the students will get their justice. You do not have a career; you're just hucksters.
The student group "I Am Ai" continues to get larger, and louder. Hundreds have filled out defense to repayment paperwork (it may be many more, because the overall count is about 20,000 applicants).
EDMC will only be able to lay low for so long. There are a few former AI workers in the group, but it needs more insiders or people who have recently quit to blow the whistle. Are there any people at EDMC or any of its schools left that are doing anything other than collecting a paycheck? .............................................https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/edmc-keeps-art-institutes-students-staff-dark-dahn-shaulis?trk=mp-author-card
@HGr5klw-1xyy Oh really? Like troll The Layoff complaining about kids you USED to teach, who were just trying to follow their dreams and passions? What do you do now, "freelance"? This isn't the students' faults. Your sh--ty former place of employment were the ones telling them to go to school without any prior qualifications. Get your head out of your ass
If these students "can't hack it" and "should have said no" then why are you trying SO HARD to get them to enroll? Because you get the pell grant, federal loans, and commission. This school and company is a scam and you know it. You're lying and you know it. Whatever helps you sleep at night. It's fine. Now the former students who will ultimately bring EDMC down will have zero remorse when unemployment bites you in your selfish deluded rear. Have a nice life.
P.s. I pay my bills. I have a car. I am not on welfare, but I am also NOT going to pay for debt from a fraudulent institution. You are a loser hiding behind a keyboard. Also, I got accepted to a lot of schools (state schools amd private non-profits that actually check into grades and competence.) I chose Ai based 100% on the career placement statistics that stated that over 90% of the people who completed my program went on to be employed within their field. I still have those documents. The "added convenience," of night and weekend classes was another huge selling point since I was working full time when I enrolled, to you know, pay my bills. Too bad the flexible and convenient scheduling was also a lie. Just get over it. You won't have a job soon and you will be in the welfare line. Have fun. Karma is a bitch.
Former student here. First off, your logic that students were going to be on welfare is false. I wasn't. I had a pretty decent job before enrolling in an EDMC school. I enrolled because I kept being fed this message to enroll in college and pursue a degree that would allow me to utilize my talents. I held off on enrolling in college for quite some time, but after being shown blatantly falsified and fraudulent career placement statistics, and constantly called and sent marketing materials by recruiters, I ended up enrolling. This was 100% based on the fraudulent marketing. I had no reason to think that an institution that was receiving federal aid from the government would actually be deceiving students. I am not an idiot, nor was I destined to be on welfare with 8 children. What the f--- does that even mean? I dont know anyone that went to an Ai that fits into your conveniently daft narrative. Everyone I knew kept telling me to go to college because I was too talented to waste those talents on a job where I was not utilizing my potential. I assumed that a private college that focused solely on art would give me the better opportunity versus a community college, and again, fraud was committes by EDMC and the Art Institutes. Stop blaming students to make yourself feel better about profiting off of something so dubious. You know as well as I do that these schools are a debt trap that operate on lies. Its pretty sad that you feel like you are better than the students, somehow. From my experience, instructors and faculty were also treated like garbage, so you must be some lame assoffice jockey with a coke addiction who is sleeping with someone else's wife or having someone sleep with your wife? Since that is the word on these boards.
Scammed nothing. They failed themselves. For profit or not these people couldn't meet even minimum requirements. If they didn't want to go to school all they had to do was say no. Instead they chased their dream and screwed themselves because they're functionally broken in society. It for sure sucks to lay it out like that but not everyone can be great but they're told differently from day 1 of life. I just don't have much sympathy for people that aren't going to pay on their loans anyway or pay any debt they may have. Yeah they can't afford to pay it but they also can't afford to pay bills, or get a car, or become a functional member of society. But yeah it's the evil corporation that screwed these people not their attitudes of having everything handed to them.
Forget the even playing field, they just bought it, jury rig it, falsified, and claim the players faked injury, to make it look they had nothing to do with it. The players were too dumb to notice a head start buyout that cause the game to end in a 100 to 1 score in 5 second flat without so much to warrant a card when the game didn't begin.
There is a great deal of support for what you say in the field of social psychology. The world is an even playing field. Exploitation never happens and anyone who gets conned is, of course, an idiot so they deserve it. We should not hold accountable any corporation clever enough to funnel billions of federal dollars into it's pockets in blackout conditions. People who do stuff like that are really smart and should be rewarded! Thank you for the Machiavellian primer! You're a champ!
Let's act like they were future dignitaries with 8 kids and no husband
Let's act like it was their destiny to be scammed!
Think about this Camden these people want to go to school but can't hack it in the "joke" for profit institutions how were they going to fare anyway? They were going to live on welfare and complain about not being able to get a good job. Let's not act like these "victims" we're somehow held down by the system.